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Re: Help
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2018, 01:05:16 AM »
2. I have noticed that the stigmata around depression


also that one gunshow comic with the dog's house on fire. it kinda became the archetypal sadmeme. though it's a bit more subtle than the later "hahaha I'm so ironic lol I'm depressed but I'm cool and light about it ahaha oh god please help me retweet my edit of an edit of an edit I'm so alone there's people everywhere #oof #yikes"

It's kind of funny how that comic became a full blown zeitgeist thing when Trump got elected, if not a little earlier. Your post reminds me of stuff I see in this format:



but most of the time the letters of the acronym don't stand for anything at all, and its meaning is totally unrelated, possibly still something self-deprecating. Or memes that are like "no seriously I've lost control of my life this isn't a meme help." You're right that a lot of people have a tendency to be "cool and light about it," like "I'm cool enough to be hip to suffering, but I'm in control enough to be joking about it and not be in really dire straits life just kinda sucks ok." It's kind of weird that there's this eternal relationship between mopiness and "cool," but I guess it's just another presentation that people use to distance themselves from people they don't get along with. Which is not to say that I think people are usually faking it or blowing it that far out of proportion. Honestly it's probably also a smart/educated/upper class affectation. I think the archetypical fuck-up high school Facebook friend would be much more likely to post an actual frustrated sob story, if that, than a detached self-deprecating soft depression meme. Like fuck your ennui, I'm tryna put food on the table and get outdoors when I can.

also all of my memories of pfsc are completely overshadowed by john campbell's self-important kickstarter meltdown and subsequent disappearance, which, uh, might be what they'd have wanted
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Re: Help
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2018, 03:24:16 AM »
this isn't new
remember "fuck this gay earth"?
literally the exact same meaning behind that, except our version was kind of homophobic for no reason

it's an expression of numb exasperation and learned helplessness over the shit ass world they're inheriting and their powerlessness to do anything to improve it
if that doesn't sound familiar to you, when did you turn 60?

it might be negative, but at least it's honest

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Re: Help
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2018, 03:52:07 AM »
this isn't new
remember "fuck this gay earth"?
literally the exact same meaning behind that, except our version was kind of homophobic for no reason
I thought the reason was because it sounded ridiculous but also that we're a bunch of crappy edgelords?
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Re: Help
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2018, 03:55:27 AM »
Yeah, but that's just one phrase, or one comic in the case of the dog. What I'm saying is that it's that kind of thing, in many different instances, over and over, being consumed relentlessly.

Maybe I am an old fart and things are going as they always have. I just don't remember such a depth of bleakness and a seeming obsession over it.



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Re: Help
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2018, 04:00:30 AM »
also all of my memories of pfsc are completely overshadowed by john campbell's self-important kickstarter meltdown and subsequent disappearance, which, uh, might be what they'd have wanted
I still think that whole thing was intentional, or at least he felt he HAD to destroy himself. Regardless, it was an entertaining spectacle and I'm glad I didn't give him any money lol.

this isn't new
remember "fuck this gay earth"?
literally the exact same meaning behind that, except our version was kind of homophobic for no reason

it's an expression of numb exasperation and learned helplessness over the shit ass world they're inheriting and their powerlessness to do anything to improve it
if that doesn't sound familiar to you, when did you turn 60?

it might be negative, but at least it's honest

it's less honest than fuck this gay earth. fuck this gay earth is a pretty straightforward sentiment it just sounds funny and irreverent. all this other stuff we've been talking about is dancing and skirting around being honest even though the true emotions are plain to see. though I guess that's not new either. and if you're barely veiling it by being meta/cool/whatever and that's part of the joke does it count as actually veiling your emotions? maybe that's just as honest idk.

I'm not opposed to it existing, and the general sentiment is as old as dirt you're right. I've laughed at shit like this myself. but it just repeats itself so much it gets exhausting. meme stuff in general was always like that but it stagnates so much faster now, and since it's all still building on stuff that came before it never feels new to begin with.

Yeah, but that's just one phrase, or one comic in the case of the dog. What I'm saying is that it's that kind of thing, in many different instances, over and over, being consumed relentlessly.

Maybe I am an old fart and things are going as they always have. I just don't remember such a depth of bleakness and a seeming obsession over it.
it was there a bit just never quite this deep. I think it's a gradual thing with one guy one upping another guy's clever sadpost repeatedly and over time you get yourself a culture of sadness. if there's two things the internet really tries to hammer in to people nowadays, it's sad culture and outrage culture. you are worthless, don't hope for your own life because larger things suck. the enemy on that other website is evil, but dont step out of line or else you're a leftist conservative pro-skub satan worshipper.
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Re: Help
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2018, 03:24:10 PM »
well, speaking as the bright, sturdy little empathetic center of my social circle, I just see a lot of people  with a lot of perfectly legitimate reasons to genuinely feel pretty despondent lately and I think what you're seeing is them finding comfort and solidarity in being open about it
yeah, they're having a laugh about it, but the laugh is at the expense of the presumption that they owe the world a charade of contentment

sometimes you just want to lie down on the floor and call yourself a sloppy witless disaster slut and it doesn't mean you're never going to get up again and you don't need dad to tell you to get off the floor and you don't need mom to tell you you're not a disaster slut you just need to know that somebody else understands and you're not alone and you're not crazy

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Re: Help
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2018, 05:28:29 PM »
"Crazy" is a very loaded word. Yes calling someone who feels despondent or depressed "crazy" is pretty damn irresponsible and callous.

But maybe it's not unreasonable to wonder if perhaps it's unhealthy. Shit, I hope I'm not falling into a trap of aging in this mentality.
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Re: Help
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2018, 06:33:27 PM »
well, speaking as the bright, sturdy little empathetic center of my social circle, I just see a lot of people  with a lot of perfectly legitimate reasons to genuinely feel pretty despondent lately and I think what you're seeing is them finding comfort and solidarity in being open about it
yeah, they're having a laugh about it, but the laugh is at the expense of the presumption that they owe the world a charade of contentment

sometimes you just want to lie down on the floor and call yourself a sloppy witless disaster slut and it doesn't mean you're never going to get up again and you don't need dad to tell you to get off the floor and you don't need mom to tell you you're not a disaster slut you just need to know that somebody else understands and you're not alone and you're not crazy
there has never been a time in human history when there weren't perfectly legitimate reasons to be despondent about the world.  you've got a point about finding solidarity with other people feeling the same way, that's honestly a great way to deal with those feelings. but I just dislike when it's reinforced that you HAVE to be sad or there's no other option, or even that it's the default state of life. You shouldn't have to be happy and sane 100% of the time, that's impossible, even when life is going great, but if you wallow in that shit too long and too vigorously you're just gonna end up with sadness as a basic element of your personality. outright identify as a sad person. that worries me, I was too harsh in my last post but I don't want people to live their lives to be sad. go be sad. go be angry. they're essential aspects of the human experience. but get drunk on it and don't let it ruin you. not you specifically but people in general. that's the main thing I wanna say. 

also I cant read the word "disaster slut" with a straight face. that's a good phrase you got there.


"Crazy" is a very loaded word. Yes calling someone who feels despondent or depressed "crazy" is pretty damn irresponsible and callous.

But maybe it's not unreasonable to wonder if perhaps it's unhealthy. Shit, I hope I'm not falling into a trap of aging in this mentality.
I am honestly scared of getting less crazy and more stable as I age. It's already happening. very disappointing. Maybe I'm not consuming and creating enough strange media like I used.

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Re: Help
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2018, 07:28:21 PM »
It's good to be crazy, weird, fucked up, or generally self aware of the fun house mirror that you carry around in your own personal paradigm. As far as feelings go be whatever you need to be, and don't worry about what the other guy thinks about it. As far as the sadboi memes go, they're not that funny but some people seem to relate to them. If that gives some kid out there a chance to chuckle at his own funhouse mirror why take that away?

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« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2018, 10:08:44 PM »
I am honestly scared of getting less crazy and more stable as I age. It's already happening. very disappointing. Maybe I'm not consuming and creating enough strange media like I used.
So this is part of what I mean; "crazy" means such different things in such different contexts that it's difficult to use meaningfully. When people say "I'm not crazy", I think that they're mostly meaning "I'm not incapable of understanding reality", or "I'm not a defective human", or "my perceptions and opinions are not invalid", etc.

Whereas the context in which you use "crazy" is wholly different; you mean "divergent", "eccentric", or "unconventional", where your mind produces and takes interest in things that are radically different from the norm.

Blah blah blah about semantics...but the positive and negative connotations and stigmas have a lot to do with why that's coming up more and more in our weird memetic dialogue.
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« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2018, 07:02:22 AM »
A Dutch man is in the news for stealing full diapers out of the trash near daycare centers. People have seen him sniffing them. A hoard has been discovered in the woods, complete with tissues.



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Re: Help
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2018, 08:55:36 PM »
ftr I think you all made some good points, I just don't have anything to add

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« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2018, 06:48:51 PM »
A Dutch man is in the news for stealing full diapers out of the trash near daycare centers. People have seen him sniffing them. A hoard has been discovered in the woods, complete with tissues
He clearly has issues for which he needs tissues
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« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2018, 08:46:38 AM »
don't listen to millennials and gen-zeers, just make what you want

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« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2018, 02:28:53 PM »
don't listen to millennials and gen-zeers, just make what you want
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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2019, 11:52:42 AM »
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