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Slurpee

Quote from: PhantomCatClock on July 17, 2019, 05:18:47 PM
that reminds me, your thoughts on thieves and honor among them?
I would expect that many people steal or have stolen, but don't consider themselves "thieves", the same way many people lie but wouldn't consider themselves "liars". so what are we talking about when we talk about thieves? somebody who steals for a living? or maybe steals compulsively, without thought of it?

I think the idea of there being "no honor among thieves" is that once somebody has demonstrated their noncompliance with one moral limitation, it would be reasonable to expect their noncompliance with others, but that raises the question of from where an individual derives their morality

I think most people know the difference between right and wrong, whether they know they know it or not. the only reason it ever doesn't seem that way is that humans are also very, very good at making excuses to ourselves. the way a killer might draw a line at killing women or children, or how, in prison, pedophiles are targeted by the other inmates, we all lie to ourselves every day about our complicity or complacency with things we know are wrong. I think any top-down sense of morality, like laws, taboos, and adherence to authority and tradition, primarily exist to reconcile disparate individual moralities (that are each compromised by each constituent's powerful ability to self-justify). social morality, what freud called the superego, is there so we can exist as a society without having to worry about being hurt by the people who are better at (or for whatever reason more willing to engage in) justifying their own bad behavior to themselves

opposition to thievery, then, is part of the social contract, an agreement we tacitly make to suspend the individual liberty to act only in response to our own moral compass and acknowledge some objective, universal rules that exist to prevent behaviors we'd all hate to see from others, even if we might be quite content to engage in them ourselves (jerking off in public, for instance) some extant hunter-gatherer tribes, for example, have no concept of possession, and therefore no concept of theft. to see somebody within a society, a thief, transgress those boundaries, is frightening, because the social contract has failed. that doesn't mean it's been disregarded entirely, but that possibility is now on the table. where are the limits?

well, in spite of everything, we still draw those for ourselves. I have seen a meth addict bristle at being called a "crackhead". the notion that they smoked crack was offensive. smoking crystal was something they could justify to themselves, but they drew a line at crack. going back to the killer who won't hurt women or children, and the prisoners who hate pedophiles- if you don't have some code of conduct, some lines you will not cross, then you condemn yourself to exile. no society, however low, however fringe, would harbor you

I'm not an anarchist in any sense, but I do think the anarchist philosophers are at the very least absolutely right about at least one concept: if you put a couple hundred people on an island, and take away the laws, take away the authority, take away the consequences, heck, take away the shared language? they'll be fine.
in spite of what zombie movies and the evening news would tell you, society is humankind's natural state. we gravitate toward it. every person wants to exist in a functioning society just as badly as every myopic soldier of the status quo is terrified of losing it. somebody on that island knows a little more about medicine than everyone else. someone is strong, somebody knows about construction, somebody can hunt, somebody can fish, somebody knows how to filter water, or frighten predators. if we were in the apocalypse right now, and you found a pharmacist, what would you do? rob and murder him? no. you'd probably trade with him, protect him, work to get his trust, because his knowledge is necessary to keep people you know alive. the people on the island would help each other. they'd protect the knowledge, they'd subdue any lunatics. it's what we do. it's what human beings do. we're a social species, down to the bone. language? that's what creole languages are: ad-hoc forms of communication between people with no formal understanding of each other's tongue, developed out of necessity. (hell, give it enough time, and that's where languages come from period.)
young societies can certainly tend toward primitive, even barbaric solutions to the problems a society must face, but the longer any given society prospers, the more likely they are to address those problems for the betterment of everybody within that society. of course there are always bastards, but by and large it's not lack of law, rather extreme circumstances that pushes people to desperate acts. that island of a couple hundred people? imagine it again, start from scratch, but this time, keep the laws, keep the authority, keep the consequences, keep the shared language... and take away the food. all hell would break loose

so, to get back to the question, it seems to me that to ask whether there can be honor among thieves, is to ask if the solitary societal custom of respecting individual ownership can be violated with there still existing a shared sense of morality, and the answer seems obvious



(I would submit, in fact, that the most barbaric, unconscionable acts in recorded history, the most extreme cases of man's inhumanity to man, are seldom the work of an individual disregarding societal morals, rather, societies convincing individuals to disregard their own morals, because when those societal morals are nudged, smudged, redrawn, redefined, to the exclusion of the humanity of certain subsets of people, inhuman acts can be carried out without question. this is why every great moral leader from jesus christ to john cusack's character in con air has stressed the importance of how we treat the least among us)

Quote from: PhantomCatClock on July 17, 2019, 05:18:47 PMnot like the song was stolen it was a pretty long chain of marginally related thoughts and i really don't want to get into it
it's very hard to guess the path you took to get there from the outside tbh
Quote from: RobClock on July 17, 2019, 07:43:47 PM
Zero to Hero
I wasn't crazy about the gospel approach they took for hercules, but I really really like meg's song
[u2]Tl0DMTlwLw4[/u2]

it's like a motown ditty, I would legit just listen to this for pleasure

Quote from: PhantomCatClock on July 17, 2019, 09:58:20 PM
i said disney you trolll
sorry

FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK

you could maybe come back from meth. nobody comes back from crack.

Slurpee

Quote from: FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK on July 18, 2019, 12:11:21 AM
you could maybe come back from meth. nobody comes back from crack.
yeah but meth is scarier when they've lost it

crack heads are crazy like 🤪 hoodoodoodledoo!!! ahahaaaa. y'all think that's funny? it's not. haha!!! I'm just playin with you. I'm heatin up in here. I'm heatin up. I'm heatin up. I'm heatin up, no. I'm heatin up. I'm heatin up... no... 😱 no NOOOOOOO. STAY BACK DEVIL. STAY BACK DEVIL
and you're like "phyew! glad he's about 20 feet away.."

meth fiends are crazy like 🧟 wanna buy a baby?

FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK

true, meth does leave you with enough functionality to be dangerous compared to just being completely gone.

RobClock

This just came to my attention as I happened by absolute chance to try opening ClockCrew.cc, laying awake in bed at 6:30am- the domain now takes you to a default Wordpress blog page with the first and only post being from June 19th, 2019.

So either someone from round here got ahold of it again, or we got ourselves a squatter

Slurpee

it looks pretty squatty

RobClock


PhantomCatClock

in fairness i do have a bot running that logs me into wowhead every day so i can finally get the 365 consecutive logins achievement, and Monit to make sure the bot keeps working, both running off clocktopia, so that's not real squatting. it's being used to its maximum potential.

http://clocktopia.net/naugrim.art

Slurpee

how do you make a bot is it hard

I feel like I should know how but it might as well be magic to me

RobClock

Quote from: Slurpee on July 18, 2019, 06:47:59 PM
how do you make a bot is it hard

I feel like I should know how but it might as well be magic to me

on (Release){
gotoAndPlay(“wowhead”);
}

RobClock

This is the full extent of my coding ability

PhantomCatClock

Quote from: Slurpee on July 18, 2019, 06:47:59 PM
how do you make a bot is it hard

I feel like I should know how but it might as well be magic to me

I'm a HUGE FAN of Michael Schrenk's library because it's just meant to run off like a crappy raspberry pi with apache, but this one is just a script called on a cronjob and Monit--which is a bitch in the ass to figure out even with googling--is so damned powerful at making sure scripts that should be running 24/7 are running (not to mention everything else like checking logs and presenting data) that if I didn't already have everything else made, I'd probably try to figure out how to just do it with Monit











also i have a discord bot running but that is a different kind of bot let me know if you want to meet him he is very sexy and is named dealer









what was i going to say



oh right the eoeoeodpipus joke that deserve its own post also i need to google how to spell oedipus first

PhantomCatClock

okay ahem normally this wouldn't be a big deal but now i kind of made it one, better get this right


ahem





have you heard about oedipus? oedipus speghettipus!








haha hell yeah got it why was i huffing air out of this brown paper bag i fucking nailed it bro (bro being me)

PhantomCatClock

[...] which is apparently no longer [link]ed to on his personal website

RenegadeClock

 :soups:
[u2]6bWyhj7siEY[/u2]

PhantomCatClock

renegade this is no laughing matter there's a place where lightning strikes like five times per minute and it's happening right now it's a lake in south america

VCRClock

Quote from: NintendoClock on July 16, 2019, 02:00:10 PM
VCR, feel free to put a donate button somewhere for upkeep. Now that I'm rich I can donate to help.

you know very well where I keep the fart jar

Quote from: Slurpee on July 17, 2019, 10:48:30 PM
somebody on that island knows a little more about medicine than everyone else. someone is strong

is it big e

<img src=Copy of Copy of facebook like button (2).bmp> the wrestling posts

Quote from: Slurpee on July 17, 2019, 10:48:30 PM
I wasn't crazy about the gospel approach they took for hercules, but I really really like meg's song
[u2]Tl0DMTlwLw4[/u2]

it's like a motown ditty, I would legit just listen to this for pleasure

IT'S AS IF YOU POSTED THIS JUST TO DISAGREE WITH ME except bit about meg's song tru tho

Quote from: PhantomCatClock on July 18, 2019, 07:09:48 PM
have you heard about oedipus?

we live in the kind of worl where it's one loose cannon chucklefuck's job to make this joke, and it's another person's job to come thru years later and be like:

Quote from: an academic
Betty Spaghetty was invented and designed by Elonne Dantzer[3] and licensed to The Ohio Art Co. and released in 1998. The doll was very popular during its launch, however the line was discontinued in 2004 due to Ohio Art's toy shipments falling to 15 percent because of weak retail markets and strong competition in the fashion doll market. But in 2007, Ohio Art announced that the dolls would return with a new look. The new Betty Spaghetty dolls were released later that year, but were discontinued a second time a year later due to lackluster sales. Moose Toys revealed at the 2016 Toy Fair that Betty Spaghetty would be sold as part of their brand in the fall of 2016.[4]

we have not collected enough information to determine whether phantomcat had reason to believe his audience was well versed enough in early 21st century doll commercials for his joke to be understood
<Marlin Clock> This thread seems proof positive that divisiveness at any level is usually bad for the Clock Crew.
<PhantomCatClock> are we talking about the same clock crew

VCRClock

#111679
my "total fuckign sap" contribution to disney hootenanny hoedown is "someone's waiting for you" from the rescuers

[u2]xSubBnIadpA[/u2]

it's a product of that special time in american culture that brought you "you light up my life" and the donny & marie osmond variety show, but idk there's also something about them asmr vocals that give me this strung out late 60s vengeance of she vibe, u kno?? but fr sometimes a man gotta cry
<Marlin Clock> This thread seems proof positive that divisiveness at any level is usually bad for the Clock Crew.
<PhantomCatClock> are we talking about the same clock crew