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« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2011, 02:40:24 PM »
Sounds good to me. My only question is how a "Training Period" like Corpse suggests will play out. Anything that requires more than a modicum of effort from multiple members probably will sputter and die after a month or two. If it's something automatic, or just hazing from older members, then that would work.


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« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2011, 02:47:43 PM »
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Anything that requires more than a modicum of effort from multiple members probably will sputter and die after a month or two.

 
Psh, I know right?

Yeah I was figuring that most of the responsibility would have to be on the heads of the trainees themselves. It's better that way anyway, so that there's a sense of accomplishment and pride to it.
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« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2011, 05:39:57 PM »
This "Training Period" happens naturally just by the new clock being around for a while. I see no need to formalise it and see clockification as a waste of time.

As far as elitism goes, if people are set on some kind of green door situation, I feel it should include literally every generally established clock right now. Any news guys would be allowed in once they are established as a guy who hangs around here and is cool. That sorta sounds like clockification really except it's all really just to regulate who can vote in elections.

We'd be better to focus any energy and motivation we have on creating good resources for the budding clock to use at his/her leisure to better themselves

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« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2011, 08:58:33 PM »
As long as we can stop the blacks from voting, I'm cool with whatever.


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« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2011, 12:54:12 PM »
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well, there seems to be some sentiment for abolishing clockification - one thing however, how would we determine who gets to vote in elections? We cant have everyone that just joins the site participating in elections, otherwise it will be chaos, right?

I'm all good with abolishing Clockification.
 
The Clockcrew is for everyone - even people who don't visit this site or take on a Clock persona. Renaenae is a perfect example of the type of person I'm talking about. Shes hardly associated with the Clockcrew aside from many of her Flash submissions over on Newgrounds, each of which is truly a wonderful gift and work of art I will add.. I'd say as long as you have the spirit to spread this silly marvel known as the Clockcrew about the world, and this interest has influenced any individual to contribute to the story of the Clockcrew, they're a Clock - and they might not even realize it.

What if things are the other way around? What if the Clockcrew was the spark of new found creativity or passion? We know it literally changed Jane's life. As unlikely as the Clockcrew is it was just meant to be so - it wouldn't be fair to continue saying who can or cannot be a member when it's very genesis was mere chance. THATS JUST LIKE LIFE. WE HAVE FIGURED OUT HE MEANING OF LIFE IT'S THE FUCKING CLOCKCREW AND STRAWBERRYCLOCK.

As far as elections go, personally I'd say stop taking all of this so seriously and just appoint some level headed and fair staff, but just have them here to clean up obvious trouble makers messes and handle member inquires. But in direct response to who can vote in elections perhaps everyone who joined before 2005? I guess those individuals can be considered seniority. If you think about it, seniority makes the most sense. They helped pave the way for future generations much like Tom paved the way for us to get to this point along with the original three and blah blah we all know the story. BYE

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« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2011, 01:10:28 PM »
I want to bring it back and have it run like it was back in the day. Only official clocks (or maybe even only staff) can vote in new clocks.

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« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2011, 01:16:27 PM »
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I'm all good with abolishing Clockification.
 
The Clockcrew is for everyone - even people who don't visit this site or take on a Clock persona.


The only benefits I see to a clockification process are keeping folks from sabotaging our endeavors (recent examples come to mind) and helping people get better and more quickly acquainted with the place. I'm certainly not saying that folks like you or olskoo or mcnastymeal or muh_not_stooped or joliet jane are any less part of the clock crew than the ones with actual clock characters.

I've never said that, never will, and I don't think anyone else has or is.

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As far as elections go, personally I'd say stop taking all of this so seriously and just appoint some level headed and fair staff


That's kind of what the idea is with the staff at the moment, but at the same time things can get out of hand. They did with the last administration, even if they had good intentions as well. A lot of what we're doing is trying to give the rest of the crew more involvement and say in what goes on, make it a community effort where people can participate.

I wouldn't be advocating this if I didn't feel there was a need or a definite benefit.

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But in direct response to who can vote in elections perhaps everyone who joined before 2005? I guess those individuals can be considered seniority. If you think about it, seniority makes the most sense.
I think this causes more problems than it fixes, frankly. The vast majority of our members joined during and after 2005, and I think many of them have contributed just as much, are just as capable, and are just as personally invested in this group as people who joined earlier.

For instance, Clockradio joined in, what, '08? I'd say he's plenty qualified to vote, far moreso than someone like Trash.

Seniority only goes as far as the person benefits from experience. Some people manage to remain dipshits forever while others learn loads in a short amount of time.
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« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2011, 01:54:18 PM »
Yep. Running a community like this isn't an easy thing to do. Clockradio is probably one of my favorite people I've ever met online. Probably best to just merge everyone as members - and still have a grace period for newcomers.

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« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2011, 09:05:13 PM »
The clockification thing would probably be fine as a automatic thing after six months or so, with a fast track option for people who contribute and get voted, lets say they can make a new thread with a poll every few weeks or something. But we need to either get rid of clockification or the week waiting thing, as we have way too many barriers up preventing potential awesome dudes or dudettes joining up because seriously fuck waiting a week to post on a forum. You just forget about it, even if you have a keen interest in animation.

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« Reply #49 on: August 31, 2011, 05:56:39 AM »
Maybe the Green Door could be realised by a list of official clocks that simply have green door privileges. They and those who aren't allowed in would both have Official Clock status, but maybe those with access would have a Green Door award for something trivial to distinguish them from those without access.

This way there'd be no elitism towards those without access because the user titles are the same, we could have a Green Door without a clockification process and at the same time avoid some nosy Newgroundite signing up and gaining access automatically after a while.

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CorpseGrinder's idea of having a list of things everybody should know available is a great idea but it poses some problems:

a) If the answers are to be filled in manually, someone would have to check and grade their application.
b) If the answers are multiple choice the test could be cheated in a couple of tries, assuming the website tells the new members which answers they got wrong.
c) If the website doesn't tell the new members which answers they got wrong, it'll be next to impossible to pass the test.

Here's my idea for a clockification system (which does not involve new ideas for the signing up process :()

When a new member signs up they are given an account with access to all forums save for the administrative ones and hypothetical green door.
When they go to their profile page there is a checklist of things they have to do, like such:

x) Vote (rate fairly!!1) on StrawberryClock's "B" at least fifteen times.
x) Post in at least 10 different forums.
x) Have at least two flash movies on your Newgrounds account.
x) Prove your economic smarts by saving at least 100cc's
x) You must buy a peggey and you must pet it.

This means the portalgrapher would have to work, and the clock credit related options could be built in once the system is ready. They should be a mix of things that 1. take time but not more than several months 2. require at least a little effort and most importantly a lot of 3. are fun to do (like saving up credits, buying a peggey from the store, buy a username with at least five capital B's in them).

I'm sorry, this seems like it would be an absolute shitload of work to implement. But when the forums had a lot of different things to do, like the arcade and working towards clockication, this place was more active. I don't know if one is the result of the other or the other way around though.

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« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2011, 07:13:45 AM »
If I could +1 the below, I would.

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Here's my idea for a clockification system (which does not involve new ideas for the signing up process :()

When a new member signs up they are given an account with access to all forums save for the administrative ones and hypothetical green door.
When they go to their profile page there is a checklist of things they have to do, like such:

x) Vote (rate fairly!!1) on StrawberryClock's "B" at least fifteen times.
x) Post in at least 10 different forums.
x) Have at least two flash movies on your Newgrounds account.
x) Prove your economic smarts by saving at least 100cc's
x) You must buy a peggey and you must pet it.

This means the portalgrapher would have to work, and the clock credit related options could be built in once the system is ready. They should be a mix of things that 1. take time but not more than several months 2. require at least a little effort and most importantly a lot of 3. are fun to do (like saving up credits, buying a peggey from the store, buy a username with at least five capital B's in them).

I'm sorry, this seems like it would be an absolute shitload of work to implement. But when the forums had a lot of different things to do, like the arcade and working towards clockication, this place was more active. I don't know if one is the result of the other or the other way around though.

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« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2011, 09:22:10 AM »
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x) Post in at least 10 different forums.

 
I am not a person with a lot of opinions about Clockification, but I just want to point out that this is a really bad idea for a requirement because it encourages shitposting.

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« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2011, 09:25:35 AM »
And also the different forums are for different people with different tastes.

Personally I think you should be clockified as soon as you paypal me $20

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« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2011, 09:29:12 AM »
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I am not a person with a lot of opinions about Clockification, but I just want to point out that this is a really bad idea for a requirement because it encourages shitposting.

Actually that's why I said 10 and not all of them. Basically it's meant to encourage to post at least a couple times outside of general. Edit - Although 10 indeed seems a bit high.

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« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2011, 11:20:30 PM »
A lot of forums use a karma system of sorts. You can rate posts as good or bad and that increases/decreases the user's karma.  We could implement that and have there be, I dunno, reasons to have a good score on that if we were to end up implementing that.

Instead of the "Post in 10 subforums" have it be "Have a karma rating of 'Moderately average but still sorta alright boy'."
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« Reply #55 on: August 31, 2011, 11:46:24 PM »
Karma systems on every forum are objectively awful.

No.

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« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2011, 04:02:09 AM »
The consensus is that clockifcation be abolished, this is added in the new charter - creating anything else to take its place should be discussed seperately (like the merit system or some sort of karma system), or suggested in the suggestions forum.

i'll leave this thread open if anyone else wants to comment

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« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2011, 04:04:01 AM »
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Karma systems on every forum are objectively awful.

No.

If a karma system is put into place I promise as supermod to use the mod cp to abuse it.

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« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2011, 08:09:18 AM »
Make a seperate usergroup called Dutchclocks, in order to become one you need to come to holland and suck my dick.
While in the dutchclock group you gain all sorts of priviledges such as beeing loved by corpsegrinder and post in the Frikandel speciaal forum that nobody else can see.

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« Reply #59 on: September 01, 2011, 08:17:02 AM »
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Make a seperate usergroup called Dutchclocks, in order to become one you need to come to holland and suck my dick.
While in the dutchclock group you gain all sorts of priviledges such as beeing loved by corpsegrinder and post in the Frikandel speciaal forum that nobody else can see.



Frikandel speciaal forum !!!!!111