Initiative to Remove CorpsegrinderClock from the position of Super Moderator

[VuBawlsClock]

I'm okay with that ban, it is a Private message afterall
edit: is this in the rules?

[SockpuppetClock]

I'm okay with that ban, it is a Private message afterall

I don't get what you're implying here

[I1I1I1I1I1I1I11111I1I1I1IIIIIII1I1I1I1I11I]

is magicfruit seriously banned over those pm's he just quoted here?


wow. definitely supports that ribs is an unstable mod that doesnt follow the rules

Didn't I get banned by YOU for posting a PM?

[VuBawlsClock]

^ I was gonna post about this, but didn't know exacly

[BluezombieClock]

I'm not going to vote on this. We have already elected the staff and I feel that the current staff is perfectly fine ( personal opinion ).

Though there may, indeed, be somebody better suited for the position, I feel that corpsey isn't enough of a bad boy to get kicked off.

[Sombra]

Given that I was kind of a catalyst in this to a degree (I posted the first Japanese-style drawing in MFC's "do you like hentai" thread) I'd like to make a few observations.

Firstly (as MFC has addressed) just want to repeat that the picture I posted was non-nude which means it isn't hentai. Went through a few pages and from what I see, no porn was posted. Whether a boss would interpret this to be as bad as real or drawn porn (hardcore or not) we can't say because the boss is hypothetical and each boss is different. Whether a hypothetical boss thinks it's logical to make the distinction that you are allowed to view forums while working but not if they have porn!!11! is maybe relevant as well.

Secondly, I interpreted the thread to be a troll and not an attempt at legitimate discourse based on MiracleFruit himself admitting to the thread being shit and an attempt at worsening the crew. My proof firstly is that he posted this in the CC chat.

"off" miraclepoot 7:07 pm
    its like

"off" miraclepoot 7:07 pm
    if you really want to shit up the crew with hentai

 "off" miraclepoot 7:07 pm
    i'll siht up the crew with pointless discussions about hentai
    tit for tat

He more or less copy pasted this exact admission to shitposting in a post on the hentai thread here.

I reasoned that if the thread was an attempt at worsening the forums by knowingly making pointless threads under the false pretense of desiring legitimate discussion, it didn't deserve to be treated as a serious attempt at it.

Also the whole recent uproar over NSFW stuff didn't begin specifically about NSFW stuff, it was about hentai which you can see in clam's thread. He also started the thread with a bad start by equating hentai to child porn and other illegal pornography, and then quoting the wikipedia article on the legality of bestiality when Slurpee asked clam if hentai was illegal in Canada, since that's all we can really tell clam would be founding his argument upon given that he didn't explain anything when he made the thread.

Anyway the fact that no one took MFC's (or clam's) cries of staff action seriously is because the threads were pretty commonly interpreted as trolling. And I think Corpse/other staff who posted in said threads drew the same conclusion. Why treat a thread seriously if the creator didn't and made it under false pretense?

[AlbinoClock]

^

That post, right there, should have been in the thread. Not a bunch of hentai and a wall of dicks. What is responsible or reasonable about responding to immaturity with immaturity? I've got news for you, this is the Clock Crew, we come up with some crazy dumb shit. The staff's job is to diffuse that crazy dumb shit just a little bit, to the point that it's not a total mess, not to add to the fire. If your post here had shown up in that thread, the issue would have dissolved. If Corpse had responded to the concerns about Blob the way Slurpee did, instead of simply saying it was a non-issue, the problem would have dissolved. You only demonstrate my point, that Corpse doesn't know how to deal with people well enough to keep shit like this from blowing up in his face. He doesn't know how to explain things to them in a way that will make them go "oh, well I guess that's not so bad", or if he does, he doesn't care to. Instead he makes things far more complicated than they need to be and then stonewalls.

If this vote doesn't lead to Corpse getting removed from the staff, I hope it at least prompts him to tread a bit more lightly in the future.

[I1I1I1I1I1I1I11111I1I1I1IIIIIII1I1I1I1I11I]

Guys, it's just clam being clam. Oh well!

[AlbinoClock]

Were there more PMs than that? Corpse came into blast and said Miraclefruit was harassing him. I'd hope that would consist of more than 3 relatively tame PMs.

[Slurpee]

If Corpse had responded to the concerns about Blob the way Slurpee did, instead of simply saying it was a non-issue, the problem would have dissolved.

well, personally, I think it's a little unreasonable to expect everybody on staff to be as diplomatic, level-headed, charming, sophisticated, talented, handsome, cute, cool, calm, dominant, phenomenal,

magnanimous, chivalrous, debonair, strong, benevolent, clement, indulgent, princely, benign, even-tempered, level-headed, suave, urbane, communicative, well-spoken, modest, affable, cordial, civilized, courteous, conscientious, obliging, sophisticated, worldly, refined, clever, garrulous, loquacious, verbose, effusive, gracious,

[Slurpee]

screw you bro come at me

[AlbinoClock]

well, personally, I think it's a little unreasonable to expect everybody on staff to be as diplomatic, level-headed, charming, sophisticated, talented, handsome, cute, cool, calm, dominant, phenomenal,

magnanimous, chivalrous, debonair, strong, benevolent, clement, indulgent, princely, benign, even-tempered, level-headed, suave, urbane, communicative, well-spoken, modest, affable, cordial, civilized, courteous, conscientious, obliging, sophisticated, worldly, refined, clever, garrulous, loquacious, verbose, effusive, gracious,

Most can't be as good as you Slurpee, but that doesn't mean they have to act like fucking riffraff.

[Sombra]

That post, right there, should have been in the thread. Not a bunch of hentai and a wall of dicks. What is responsible or reasonable about responding to immaturity with immaturity? I've got news for you, this is the Clock Crew, we come up with some crazy dumb shit.

This being the clock crew was part of the reason I decided to post it. We're naturally pretty lighthearted/ trollish and the atmosphere here is to respond to troll/nonsensical threads with trolls or nonsense. We do come up with crazy dumb shit. It's fun and a breath of fresh air from the structured boring halls of school or work. Maybe I'm generalizing too much but I'd say this is at least fairly true.

The staff's job is to diffuse that crazy dumb shit just a little bit, to the point that it's not a total mess, not to add to the fire. If your post here had shown up in that thread, the issue would have dissolved.

Well that's hard to say for certain. Personally I don't think there ever was a legitimate issue to dissolve given the thread was not made for addressing something with the intent to provoke thoughtful conversation and/or change. I also pointed out several times in the thread that MFC admitted the thread was trolling so I was sort of addressing what you said without writing up a long-winded post that'd prob fall on deaf ears.

What would there be for a staff member to constructively do besides gas the thread? I don't know, I can't reply with a whole lot of examples where staff has posted something in a thread like this that caused critical thinking or a change to forum rules.

[AlbinoClock]

I don't know, attempt to discuss the issue in question?

[SchnozzberryClock]

I don't know, attempt to discuss the issue in question?

We tried, but then comparisons to child porn started getting thrown around so we figured posting anime pics would be a much better alternative to sailing that particular drama boat into deeper waters.

[Sombra]

so because you think (and wrongfully btw) that we made the threads under false pretenses, its okay to shit them up?

kk first you made the "revision to rule 2" thread where you proposed we add hentai to a very specific part of the rules regarding porn/ obscene images, the part concerning porn that's illegal which implies that you were equating hentai with it or you would have just pasted the whole rule. The reason it implies this is because copy pasting then deleting the rest of the rule concerning NSFW stuff or copy pasting that specific part of the rule, either way, was a conscious act you chose to do instead of just posting the whole rule (the one you wanted to amend) which would have made more sense and been more cohesive. You also never explained why you wanted hentai banned anywhere near the original post either which is a pretty important part of amending rules/ law in general.

I already addressed why MFC's threads weren't legitimate attempts at discussion so I'm not going to repeat it.

whats to stop me from assuming all your threads (or anybody elses) were made under false pretenses therefore giving me the right to just shit all over them and destroy them. thats a dangerous road youre looking to go down.

I never assumed anything. I looked at the facts which were that you created a thread asking for a rule change, provided no argument for why you thought the rule needed to be changed, implied hentai was on the level of child porn, bestiality, and torture, and then posted irrelevant shit when Slurpee asked a legitimate question trying to reason out what you were arguing exactly. How exactly can you argue that you have the right to complain about shitposts in a thread you don't want to be constructive?

[Topcatyo]

I thought Blob got banned because we found out he knew of the previous Blob Clock's existence before he picked his name.

Considering that he knew the name was taken at the time he took it, shouldn't he? I could see if it was an innocent mistake, but it's not.

Which is why I gave him a ban as punishment.

He's taking a ban, and then when he comes back he can apply per the rules just like anyone else.

As for what I saw in the thread about the name change, I agree with pretty much everything Corpse said, about it only being an issue because people decided to, especially that we have other users like Pop-Tart and various others where if we're gonna be fair people should have taken issue with it the same way.

His arguing didn't change anything, he didn't abuse his mod powers to alter the rules after we made the changes.  From what I saw he just argued his case, which was that the rule was arbitrary, and I agreed. If we keep changing the rules all the time over every little thing because of mob psychology we're gonna ruin the good thing we had going for the forums when we could call it a "good thing".

Did enough people complain so as to cause a vote and change the rule? Yes, it did. We changed the rule.  We've made it so that a super moderator's job is supposed to be that we're supposed to debate on policy so we can figure out what we wanna do.  I'd say he did a fine job of that with the name change thread.

He argued. He never used his mod powers (god they sound like superpowers now) to do anything malicious. He argued and then we still got the rule changed. In the threads I remember him asking for evidence that Blob having the name Blob was causing anybody trouble, specifically the old Blob Clock, which it didn't, and probably will.

The Miraclefruit thread? Yeah, he could have handled that better. Strike one.

If a mod fucks up we should tell them in the Mod Lounge or in the policy forum before we start talking about removing people from positions.

[AlbinoClock]

We tried, but then comparisons to child porn started getting thrown around so we figured posting anime pics would be a much better alternative to sailing that particular drama boat into deeper waters.

You're not on the staff, you don't have the same responsibility as Corpse. Taking a thread that, previous threads aside, isn't NSFW or even objectionable and filling it with dicks and hentai is not behavior befitting a staff member.

[Topcatyo]

As for the recent banning of Miraclefruit I'm going to need more information on that before I can really figure out if it was proper action or not.

Honestly being a supermod right now is kinda killing the fun of posting on these forums for me. I hope you guys are happy, and I kinda imagine not being a supermod anymore would be a good thing.

Not that I don't wanna be a supermod. I like being a voice of a bunch of Internet people.

I try my best.

[Sombra]

I don't know, attempt to discuss the issue in question?

Why not make a new thread, proposing said topics for discussion in a cohesive way intended to be constructive? If the people so concerned with banning something like hentai want to make shitty threads instead of well-thought out ones promoting debate, why does the moderation need to take the issue they're arguing seriously?