10. Do not abuse the system
Do not minimod: if you see a rule being broken, don't post about it, instead report it to the specific forum's moderator or to a super moderator. If you feel they have mismanaged dealing with that rule, speak to an Administrator. If you feel that a staff member is consistently neglectful of the rules, don't harass them or attack them in the forums: notify an administrator and, if you feel they are unfit, vote against them.
Don't try and smartass your way around rules: the staff are not bound to your interpretation or wrangling of the rules. Don't break the rules to prove a point. If you really feel the spirit of a rule is being violated, contact an administrator or form an initiative to clarify the rule.
This will be effective immediately.
rules were meant to be broken
:cool:
Welp, this should reign in some of the recent drama (in theory)
Quote from: MightyBooshClock;1871179rules were meant to be broken
:cool:
Your face was meant to be broken.
There should be some sort of rule stating not to stretch whats illegal to the bare point of legality. (is there?)
Quote from: VuBawlsClock;1871202There should be some sort of rule stating not to stretch whats illegal to the bare point of legality. (is there?)
QuoteDon't try and smartass your way around rules: the staff are not bound to your interpretation or wrangling of the rules.
Yes.
Oh ok, good, I though I read that right
Rules are composed, proposed and voted on by your elected leaders. So yes.
Quote from: RibsClock;1871244All rules are either voted in by the elected staff or submitted and voted on through initiatives per the charter.
Or they might just appear mysteriously when no one is looking.
Quote from: RibsClock;1871244All rules are either voted in by the elected staff or submitted and voted on through initiatives per the charter.
why do you have 2 ways of doing the same thing?
im sure everyone would have preferred this going through initiatives first
Quote from: MiracleFruitClock;1871754why do you have 2 ways of doing the same thing?
im sure everyone would have preferred this going through initiatives first
To be fair, this rule is basically, "don't break the rules!"
why dont we get to vote if we want this rule or not
Because then there would be no point to electing forum leaders. If you don't like the rules people vote on, don't vote for the people who make/vote yes on them. I don't see this rule stopping anything except shit stirring anyhow. The less shit stirring we have, the more fun we can have. Simple logic.
Quote from: AbsintheClock;1871782Because then there would be no point to electing forum leaders. If you don't like the rules people vote on, don't vote for the people who make/vote yes on them. I don't see this rule stopping anything except shit stirring anyhow. The less shit stirring we have, the more fun we can have. Simple logic.
what if i didnt vote for the people who make the rules/vote on them but they still get in power
its easy to say "yeah dont vote for them if you dont like them" but if they are still elected even when i dont vote for them there is nothing i can do besides sit here and feel discontent while people say yeah its your own fault you voted them into power, even though i didnt.
edit: what im saying is im tired of people telling me not to vote for someone and acting like i voted for them in the first place
Quote from: DWARFINATORclock;1871800what if i didnt vote for the people who make the rules/vote on them but they still get in power
its easy to say "yeah dont vote for them if you dont like them" but if they are still elected even when i dont vote for them there is nothing i can do besides sit here and feel discontent while people say yeah its your own fault you voted them into power, even though i didnt.
edit: what im saying is im tired of people telling me not to vote for someone and acting like i voted for them in the first place
Oh my god, shut up. You at least
have a chance to vote for people with this system, which is leagues ahead of what you could do with the other one (i.e. nothing). Who cares if you couldn't get your main choices in. The system isn't made to be perfect, it's just made to give people options.
Whether the staff is voted in by users or not, regardless of system, they have the ability to make rules. They're staff. The
difference with this system is that, if you're unhappy with a staff-made rule, you can make an initiative to repeal it or to modify it. Come up with a good reason, don't just oppose it because it's staff-made.
Breaking and circumventing rules, even if just to 'prove a point', is unproductive. Message a staff member about the broken rule and they'll fix it.
I don't know how long this will take to register, but
the staff is on your side.
Quote from: clockradioclock;1871801Oh my god, shut up.
you cant tell me what to do!!
To be honest this is a dumb rule. Rule 10: don't break rules!! Just seems stupid to me. I agree with the minimodding bit, but that's always been a rule. This rule effectively makes protest illegal. Lame
Quote from: PatriotClock;1871806To be honest this is a dumb rule. Rule 10: don't break rules!! Just seems stupid to me. I agree with the minimodding bit, but that's always been a rule. This rule effectively makes protest illegal. Lame
:/
When has any administration been OK with breaking rules if only for the sake of protest? That doesn't make sense.
Quote from: clockradioclock;1871812:/
When has any administration been OK with breaking rules if only for the sake of protest? That doesn't make sense.
It says not to abuse rules so now things that aren't against the rules are now effectively against the rules.
actually it's saying that things that are technically not against the rules but relate in some way to a rules are now against the rules. Which could be a bunch of things.
Actually, it's saying nothing more than this:
Quote from: AbsintheClock;187117810. Do not abuse the system
Do not minimod: if you see a rule being broken, don't post about it, instead report it to the specific forum's moderator or to a super moderator. If you feel they have mismanaged dealing with that rule, speak to an Administrator. If you feel that a staff member is consistently neglectful of the rules, don't harass them or attack them in the forums: notify an administrator and, if you feel they are unfit, vote against them.
Don't try and smartass your way around rules: the staff are not bound to your interpretation or wrangling of the rules. Don't break the rules to prove a point. If you really feel the spirit of a rule is being violated, contact an administrator or form an initiative to clarify the rule.
Rule 10 is probably the most literal and clear rule we have, I have no idea how you guys can possibly be screwing this shit up. The rule is "don't break rules". That's it.
The rule refers specifically to:
- the blobclock fiasco where every smartass and their grandmother decided to break a single rule by making threads about taking a username already in use,
- the posting of links to torrents and torrent sites when it was stated to be against site rules (even though there is nothing illegal irl about torrent sites in general),
all just because they wanted to 'prove a point'. There are smarter ways to protest a rule. You don't have to break it to prove a point. Argue against it and make your point clear.
Rule 10 does not give mods more banning liberty, it only gives them the support they need to ban the tactless. We shouldn't actually need a goddamn rule that says it's illegal to break the rules, but we have one because some people have daddy issues and a severe fear of castration--never even mind the inherent urge to bang mommy.
Quote from: clockradioclock;1871818Actually, it's saying nothing more than this:
Rule 10 is probably the most literal and clear rule we have, I have no idea how you guys can possibly be screwing this shit up. The rule is "don't break rules". That's it.
The rule refers specifically to:
- the blobclock fiasco where every smartass and their grandmother decided to break a single rule by making threads about taking a username already in use,
- the posting of links to torrents and torrent sites when it was stated to be against site rules (even though there is nothing illegal irl about torrent sites in general),
all just because they wanted to 'prove a point'. There are smarter ways to protest a rule. You don't have to break it to prove a point. Argue against and make your point clear.
Rule 10 does not give mods more banning liberty, it only gives them the support they need to ban the tactless. We shouldn't actually need a goddamn rule that says it's illegal to break the rules, but we have one because some people have daddy issues and a severe fear of castration--never even mind the inherent urge to bang mommy.
Oh my god, shut up.
Quote from: DWARFINATORclock;1871819Oh my god, shut up.
you cant tell me what to do!!
I am very confused and very much on the fence now.
Basically the rule is this:
Don't break the rules.
Don't make parody threads breaking the rule.
Don't make a protest thread breaking the rules to prove a point.
Don't try to get around breaking a rule by being a smartass, IE "I didn't post a torrent! I posted a link to a torrent!"
If you don't like a rule, tell us or make an initiative. We will do our best to rectify things.
Quote from: Sinister Clock;1871760To be fair, this rule is basically, "don't break the rules!"
no actually this rule is basically "heres some proof we can bypass initiatives and make up rules on the fly ps. fuck you common people"
Quote from: MiracleFruitClock;1871868no actually this rule is basically "heres some proof we can bypass initiatives and make up rules on the fly ps. fuck you common people"
the initiatives forum isn't for the staff it's for you guys :/
it's always been for you guys nothing has changed
how is this any different than when we changed rule 6 less than a month ago?
Quote from: Slurpee;1871870how is this any different than when we changed rule 6 less than a month ago?
i recall everybody discussing the changes to rule 6 at great length before anything was changed out of the blue
Quote from: Slurpee;1871870the initiatives forum isn't for the staff it's for you guys :/
it's always been for you guys nothing has changed
ok what about having a poll in the policy forum then?
what im trying to say is if the users cannot vote for the ratifications to the charter then there is something seriously wrong with this so-called democracy
The rules on rule six were discussed at great length, but not by the regular users. That was all done in the grid. Also if you don't want us to keep adding rules you should consider not giving us a reason to create them in the first place.
As for you Jeff, you've had since the 19th to voice your opinion on this. The fact that you speak up now doesn't reflect very well on you at all. The reason we have a grid is so we can talk ideas out before they become public. Not so we can fling poo at our teammates in public after the fact.
As for rule interpretations, they're not bound to just what one smod or admin thinks. If there is a valid argument to something then people have the right to express it to myself, Slurps, or ZL. And because it's our duty to please that booty, we will talk it out in the grid like adults. What you're assuming right now is "This is just so Ribs can fuck us all." We wouldn't have had to make this rule at all if you didn't spend the first two months of this administration's time busting balls just because the clock crew doesn't agree with your interpretation of how things should be.
Don't like it, vote for somebody else. If that didn't work, and you still really don't like it? Walk out. The last thing we need to deal with is more hyperpartisan baby talk over trivial issues, or petty attempts at sticking it to the man because we didn't ban Japanese cartoon titties in the spam forum.
Quote from: AbsintheClock;1871878The rules on rule six were discussed at great length, but not by the regular users. That was all done in the grid.
no it wasnt because then i wouldnt remember it now would i
How should I know? You make crap up all the time. Either way there's a whole thread in the grid talking about rule six, and it had little to nothing to do with the debate points of the regular users.
itt babsinthe still mad i won't apologize to him
itt miraclefruit being more unreasonable and illogical than anyone ever.
Quote from: clockradioclock;1871891itt miraclefruit being more unreasonable and illogical than anyone ever.
how am i being illogical/unreasonable when babsinthe is coming at me with stuff like "im assuming that you are assuming this is all ribs fault" and "i dont know the answer sooo uhhhhh you make shit up all the time"
ok then
Quote from: MiracleFruitClock;1871890itt babsinthe still mad i won't apologize to him
itt miraclefruit is still mad he's not in the blast chat
Quote from: MiracleFruitClock;1871890itt babsinthe still mad i won't apologize to him
itt miraclefruit doesn't get his way so he needs to resort to trolling. By the way, I told you to apologize not because I want an apology, but because I know you won't do it. It's a good way of keeping you off the blast. Now if you want to keep on topic please do, otherwise go eat a sack of baby dicks.
Quote from: MiracleFruitClock;1871872i recall everybody discussing the changes to rule 6 at great length before anything was changed out of the blue
ok what about having a poll in the policy forum then?
what im trying to say is if the users cannot vote for the ratifications to the charter then there is something seriously wrong with this so-called democracy
the rules aren't part of the charter. changes to the charter are ratified during elections every 6 months. the rest of the time, the staff acts in part as a legislative body. the rules are currently the same ad hoc ones that we came up with a few months ago and have been refining ever since. the staff is bound by these rules; refining them is part of our responsibility. discussions are held and elected officials vote on them. the votes are
available for public viewing, so if somebody's being a shithead you can know that and vote them out.
this isn't a direct democracy. we don't have public votes on every policy change because it's really really hard to make people give a shit about this stuff unless it's inconveniencing them, and that makes public votes easier to rig or even for people to just vote while not giving a shit and skewing the results- you elect us to give a shit on your behalf.
it's not a perfect system; I've said that since before you guys dragged me into it. we're trying to refine it as best we can.
if you think the elected officials acting as a legislative body is a problem, you could always create an initiative to make every change a matter of full public vote
which if it has enough interest would then become part of the next election because that's the way the system works
This thread has taught me that Canadians and Dutch don't understand representative democracy.
New rule effective immediately: Stop being a bunch of faggots.
Quote from: RenegadeClock;1871923New rule effective immediately: Stop being a bunch of horse thiefs.
How am I supposed to resist those washboard abs?
this thread has taught me that ankh is an idiot an-
haha jk i already knew that before this thread
Quote from: DWARFINATORclock;1871946this thread has taught me that ankh is an idiot an-
haha jk i already knew that before this thread
i thought that was p. obvious from the get go