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Only people who have seen Prometheus in here: If you have seen the movie, or don't really care about spoilers, then stick around. Otherwise FOCK OFF.

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I'll start by saying I actually enjoyed this movie a lot in a weird way, but it sure as fuck pissed me the hell off. Rather than defend it I'm going to tear it apart because that's more fun and because it deserves it.

Let's start with this guy:
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Damon Lindelof. I have a theory about him. He's been writing for TV shows such as LOST for so long, that he cannot resist his developed compulsion to squeeze a TV season's worth of plot twists and reveals into a 2 hour feature.

Let's have a look at the cast of the original Alien:

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Seven guys and a cat, (one of them is secretly a backstabbing robot) VS the Alien.
Alien Establishes a claustrophobic setting, and accounts for all members of the crew as they slowly get picked off one by one. You sense a centrality to the group, and any one who wanders out of the group is placed in immediate danger or killed off. Aliens does not differ a whole lot from this, except for the emphasis on plurality: More Aliens are accommodated by more Soldiers, more guns. Right away half of the crew is killed off, and the Pilots on the dropship are killed as well. The group maintains focus and centrality through survival. If you aren't part of the group, you're dead.

Prometheus' cast is all over the fucking place. While there's an excellent feeling of suspense created by having the teams go out to the Engineer compound in groups, you have faceless crew members hanging out on the ship, who are never explored, and are kept alive just to go down in a glorious (I'm a edgy teen) suicide bombing operation at the end. You have a decrepit old scrotum of a man who is revealed in the last act, which didn't have to be a secret at all, they should have just shown him on the ship from the beginning. Jesus, Lindelof can't resist a half-million big reveals.

Other things:

-Unnecessary ambiguity as to whether or not Charlize Theron is a robot.
-Too many creatures: (Pussy snakes, Caviar zombies, Pussy squids, Engineers, Proto-xenomorph)
-Underdeveloped religious pseudo-philosophical bullshit
-Overly complicated sexual reproductive cycle (David sneaks caviar into guys drink > guy jizzes in Elizabeth's barren pussy hole > Elizabeth removes Squid baby > Squid baby grows to maturity > squid baby fucks the Ubermensch in the mouth, Xenomorph bursts from Ubermensch's tum-tum

Wow there really were a lot of plot twists now that I think about it. Lot of shitty ones too, even I could see from a mile away that Theron was the old guy's daughter.

Quote from: AnimeClock;1909372Other things:
-Too many creatures: (Pussy snakes, Caviar zombies, Pussy squids, Engineers, Proto-xenomorph)

Yeah I was completely confused by that zombie. The rest of the creatures I sort-of get, I mean sure it makes sense that the black ooze can transform creatures into the Face Hugger-esue monsters. But then that one Alien lays all those eggs on the ship? Or they were already there???

Quote from: TelephoneClock;1909379Yeah I was completely confused by that zombie. The rest of the creatures I sort-of get, I mean sure it makes sense that the black ooze can transform creatures into the Face Hugger-esue monsters. But then that one Alien lays all those eggs on the ship? Or they were already there???

Do you mean the eggs that were on the planet in Alien and Aliens? No that was one thing that was confusing. The planet in Prometheus is another planet altogether, so we have to assume that the Engineers/Space Jockeys somehow delivered the newborn Xenomorph from LV-223 to LV-426.

But...
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/6944
according to this discussion, LV-426 is a moon orbiting LV-223

This is all very unnecessarily complicated, and I think they might have been setting Prometheus up for a sequel before getting to Alien

Quote from: AnimeClock;1909380This is all very unnecessarily complicated, and I think they might have been setting Prometheus up for a sequel before getting to Alien

hahaha no shit.

I had no idea about the planet's names, I thought it took place on the same planet as Alien :I

I enjoyed it. It wasn't as good as Alien, but it worked in it's own way. Though the zombie thing was stupid as fuck.

It was also fucking stupid that no one gave a shit about the alien abortion afterwards. It was a great scene but no one even asked if she was okay!

Quote from: GearBoxClock;1909384It was also fucking stupid that no one gave a shit about the alien abortion afterwards. It was a great scene but no one even asked if she was okay!

And when she talked to David about it, he all but said "Lol, you're fucked"

Quote from: AnimeClock;1909380The planet in Prometheus is another planet altogether, so we have to assume that the Engineers/Space Jockeys somehow delivered the newborn Xenomorph from LV-223 to LV-426.

The Xenomorph from Prometheus is not necessarily the ancestor of the one in Alien. When the crew enters the chamber with the murals there are Xenomorphs and face-huggers depicted. So the Engineers have dealt with them prior to this.

http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1895/humans-and-facehugger-in-alien-mural/p1

Maybe the engineers created races just to destroy them. Why else would this engineer try doing that to earth while the one in Alien had a ship full of Alien eggs

Quote from: RenegadeClock;1909430The Xenomorph from Prometheus is not necessarily the ancestor of the one in Alien. When the crew enters the chamber with the murals there are Xenomorphs and face-huggers depicted. So the Engineers have dealt with them prior to this.

http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1895/humans-and-facehugger-in-alien-mural/p1

You're right, but it's still pretty goddamn ridiculous how complicated it is to manufacture them.

so i saw it last night. what if the engineers banished him there in the beginning and made him drink that, not knowing what it would do. later, they found that humans were spawned and that they were gonna wipe them out because we were abominations from them
also the movie wasn't confusing at all and i loved it

i liked prometheus and bob better
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Quote from: AnimeClock;1909466You're right, but it's still pretty goddamn ridiculous how complicated it is to manufacture them.

I figured that the creation of the Xenomorphs was pure luck, rather than a deliberate thing. The Engineers will probably just capitalize on them in the sequel.

I just assumed as effectively being humans they just loved doing war with one another and so they went about creating the most elaborate weapons testing facility ever with a species that would respond very similarly to their own when faced with their bio-weapons.

the monster fight between squidbaby and the space jockey was pretty cool

I loved this movie, but my friend mentioned this to me after we walked out of the theater:

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Movie wasn't v good

it wasnt bad

Quote from: MiracleFruitClock;1909962it wasnt bad

spoilers from prometheus to be continued

im gonna watch prometheus 2

They didnt entirely expect a sequel while making this. The reason a lot of things were unanswered is because thats how horror works. Shit has to stay strange, foreign, and unknown. You let people understand something entirely for impact, and they gave us some realizations for that purpose. The original Alien movie didnt explain jack shit about the xenomorphs and the intentions of Weyland were still fairly vague yet sinister, yet nobody complains about that.

Quote from: MiracleFruitClock;1909964im gonna watch prometheus 2

If it happens so am I, I really hope it does. They said they will if people want it and they get funding.

I never understood the intentions of weyland

old bitch wanted to liiiiiive.

Quote from: VuBawlsClock;1909983I never understood the intentions of weyland

be the worst employer ever

What nobody realizes is that the Weyland corporation just wanted the xenomorphs to advance stem cell research so we dont have to experiment on human fetuses, and then use them to grow new organs and body parts for people. Ripley was the true villain all along. MOST SHOCKING TWIST YET

The main issue with Prometheus was that the crew was 90% unlikable. Idris was cool as the captain but barely got to do anything; Charlize was pretty intriguing as some kind of super badass but she never got a chance to use her secret badass abilities and Noomy only became at all likable after giving herself a robot abortion about two thirds into the story. David was the only one you liked the entire way through and he was kind of meant to be a bad guy. The rest of the crew just became more and more unlikable the more we saw of them, especially Noomy's boyfriend/husband who was the biggest tool ever right up to his death. I think Ridley was probably going for a kind of "hey this is real life and in real life you might end up with a ship full of assholes" approach but the real strength of the original Alien was that even though the crew were realistically assholey, you liked them all and you felt strong relationships between all of them whether it was friendship/camaraderie/respect/whatever.

The only real plot hole was why David put the alien juice in Noomy's boyfriend's drink. I mean I get that he was a huge dick so David picked him to use it on, but what was it all meant to achieve?

And yeah I think they could have done with clearing up the alien life cycle a bit. If they wanted to have loads of different creatures they could have just established that the alien juice stuff was unpredictable and did different things to different people in different situations. Having an already existing alien vagina snake and all that junk just threw everything off track. I really wanted to know more about the engineers and was a bit disappointed that he just went nuts and tried to murder everyone without revealing any secrets at all but as long as they do a decent sequel I can live with that.

Overall I thought the world and ideas were interesting enough to make up for the plot problems. I got the feeling it would be a lot more enjoyable the second time round when you're prepared for the weird pace and you can look out for all the hidden stuff they jammed in.

Quote from: FloundermanClock;1909982They didnt entirely expect a sequel while making this. The reason a lot of things were unanswered is because thats how horror works. Shit has to stay strange, foreign, and unknown. You let people understand something entirely for impact, and they gave us some realizations for that purpose. The original Alien movie didnt explain jack shit about the xenomorphs and the intentions of Weyland were still fairly vague yet sinister, yet nobody complains about that.

The reason a lot of things were unanswered is because Ridley changed his mind about what the film was half way through and got the writers to put together a new script in the middle of filming. Alien had a certain amount of mystery but all the workings of plot were fully formed in the creators' heads and you could really tell.