Since the Code of Hammurabi governments of the world have put people to death for various charges ranging from murder to being “a witch.†The United States executes on average 60 people a year making us #4 on the capitol punishment list. What justifies the killing of another human being; taking one life for another for an example. How do we deem some people to be unfit to live?
The justification of the death penalty is a difficult one to explain. When someone does something so horrific to another human being that they no longer can really be considered as human beings the death penalty becomes a wonderful solution. The government spends billions of dollars every year to house, feed, clothe, and look after inmates who have committed crimes so horrible that they will never see the light of day. Why is their life so valuable? What do they have to offer that is worth all this time, effort, and money? Should you be set for life because you killed people in cold blood, or if you raped a 5 year old girl? There is a plethora of other crimes so disgusting that I’m not even going to try and name them. Point is that these people cannot be rehabilitated. Most of these people do not feel sorrow or remorse for what they have done. In fact the only thing they’re sorry about is getting caught.
Why should we show mercy? More than that… Why do we take so much consideration into how we execute these people? The electric chair itself has somehow been deemed cruel and unusual by left wing yahoos like Hillary Clinton. Many people are suggesting using an expensive series of poisons like lethal injection. For these people who think lethal injection isn’t painful, it is. First sodium thiopental is injected in order to render the body unconscious. This injection only has a very temporary effect which only lasts 10-30 minutes depending on the dosage. Next tubocurarine chloride is injected to stop all muscle movement except for the heart which makes the diaphragm collapse thus stopping all breathing. Finally potassium chloride is injected to stop the heart. I would imagine it also causes a burning sensation through the veins which becomes very painful. This method of killing is no more humane than the electric chair. In my personal opinion if I had to choose how to be executed I’d rather be shot in the head more than anything. A firing squad is also a lot cheaper.
Quote from: BitClockPretty much my feelings exactly.
I think that the circumstances of the crime should be considered.
Like if I got home and caught my wife in bed with another man... and shot him for instance, I'd say that's less serious than going out and killing multiple people for kicks. The former, I think, should not carry the death penalty.
In my opinion people should only be put to death in extreme situations. The point of isolating people from the rest of society should be to help them, not punish them. If someone shoots someone out of anger, that person should be spending time in therapy rather then just being locked away as punishment. The only time that killing another person should be acceptable is if one is in serious risk of being killed themselves without any options but to kill the opponent, or if someone it simply too dangerous to be left alive.
60 people isnt that much, should be more. Prisons are overcrowded.
I think like premeditated murder should be. But like manslaughter, stuff like accidently hitting someone, or somethign like that... should not be. Rapists should be castrated. They have a hard time in prison. very hard time. In the butt.
I don't think thats an effective solution at all. We need to go to the source and do a better job at preventing crime then just killing people and punishing them for their crimes. In the end, that just revenge. Its shit.
I think roting in a cell for the rest of your life is a lot worse then being put to death. Being raped, beat up, hurt, treated like crap in jail I think thats a worse punishment then death cause you have to deal with that every day for the rest of your life. Try waking up evey day in a small cell and remember why you were there, that punishment is worse then ok you die done. Personaly I think the death penalty is the easy way out.
Quote from: absintheIn my personal opinion if I had to choose how to be executed I’d rather be shot in the head more than anything. A firing squad is also a lot cheaper.
You have to think of the morality issue, it is pritty much killing in cold blood like they did, also most people in the law enforcement don't want to shoot people, it has to be on necessity, even in old times they needed to use a blank cartrige in one of the guns so that the men have the peace of mind that they could possibly not have killed him.
They did try an automatic firing squad back then, maybe that would work...[/COLOR]
I despise the death penalty. It's not so much the life that I care about, but the fact that the standards for it are so elastic. Another downside is the uneven distribution of the death penalty throughout the states.
The death penalty is a rough issue, I think that the victim's or family's relatives should have a great deal of involvement in the sentence. I know that if someone murdered my whole family, I would be histerically angry. Of course you have the men/women that dont even care that their being put to death, and laugh maniacally as the venom surges through their vains.
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Quote from: HylianClockOf course you have the men/women that dont even care that their being put to death, and laugh maniacally as the venom surges through their vains.
People who are likely insane and should be in a mental health facility or in extensive therapy rather then a prison.
Quote from: RevolutionaryClockPeople who are likely insane and should be in a mental health facility or in extensive therapy rather then a prison.
Agreed. I hate the Republican/conservative mindset "punishment over rehabilitation". If you can make someone a better person, you may as well try it.
that should be the case for any criminal then eh? if what your saying is true, that every person can improve or change. not just the insane
the insane can't improve or change. For them its better to just isolate, but killing off those with a critical mental disorder is another thing. Those with other mental disorders though can improve, as can most people if given treatment, kept from a negative environment, and given the financial means to try.
daeth penalty is wrong, no-one deserves to die apart from: terrorists (you know why!), Matt Harrison (that is personal!), murderers (gives them a taste of their own medicine!)
Quote from: Absinthe ClockThe government spends billions of dollars every year to house, feed, clothe, and look after inmates who have committed crimes so horrible that they will never see the light of day.
True, but after all the appeals for death penalty cases, it actually costs 3 times more to put one man to death than it would be to keep him in prison for 40 years (average length of a life sentence).
Personally I don't see why a life sentence without parole isn't bad enough already. Sure prisons have kind of their own little meta-society in them, but it's not a very fulfilling one. And it gives the inmates plenty of time to reflect on their actions, and maybe even write about their experiences and give something back to society, without ever becoming a danger to it again.
I don't think it's right for somone's life too be taken from them if it isn't just. If the persons mentality is corrupt, and s/he will never be a good person again, s/he should be killed. If the person could rehabilitate from the crimes s/he has done, they should be left too prison.
I would like to be shot in the head like absinthe, if ever I was set too execution, fast, effective and painless.
All those thinking about death penalty vs. life/solitary should read this.
I'm not that much for the death penalty, but it has you thinking. (http://www.classicreader.com/read.php/sid.6/bookid.240/)
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You have to think of the morality issue, it is pritty much killing in cold blood like they did, also most people in the law enforcement don't want to shoot people, it has to be on necessity, even in old times they needed to use a blank cartrige in one of the guns so that the men have the peace of mind that they could possibly not have killed him.
They did try an automatic firing squad back then, maybe that would work...
To kill in order to defend your home or country is a justifiable murder. If you're killing someone who is an immediate danger to you or your country you should have no qualms about killing the bastard. By that I don't mean people with different ideaology. I mean people who kill other people, blow shit up, rape women, etc etc etc. I would have no qualms about putting one between the eyes of someone who broke into my house or commited such a horrible crime.
if you kill 1 person, rehab/prison for X years
if they kill more than 1 person ever = dealth penalty
killing as in 'for fum', 'attetion' , 'cuz', or when NOT defending yourself/someone else's life
I agree with Death Penalty, but only in serious cases. Think about it. People who do those hideous crimes can't go to rehab, they won't get better. And prison is just for less important crimes. Why should someone who killed people or something of the sort get free food, water and a place to stay? If they die, they will learn their lesson, even though they can't take any benefit from it anymore. Plus it'll make the criminals or the insane think twice before committing these crimes.
I have been thinking of this the past month, i think its absurd to take a life in exchange of another as depending on the psychology and reason of the culript.
I think I would only find it acceptable if the guy is fucking balls insane
Nice 3 year bump
Also,m the death penalty should only be used if it is the last solution to a problem possible.
Quote from: DiscoBall;1387132I agree with Death Penalty, but only in serious cases. Think about it. People who do those hideous crimes can't go to rehab, they won't get better. And prison is just for less important crimes. Why should someone who killed people or something of the sort get free food, water and a place to stay? If they die, they will learn their lesson, even though they can't take any benefit from it anymore. Plus it'll make the criminals or the insane think twice before committing these crimes.
Stop bumping, seriously.
Hey assholes get off his case.
AFGDASFGD what the shit I didn't notice
The whole system of crime and punishment is counterintuitive -- you fix nothing and cause more suffering, whether it be through putting the individual in prison to rot, or by just killing them all together. You are fighting fire with fire.
The only reasonable solution is that YOU as an individual take the person who committed the crime and help them to see the error of their ways -- the causes of suffering and how they are adding to it and in turn hurting not only others, but themselves as well. There should be no "system" of judging or fixing people, but rather the "good" people should fix themselves, then fix those around them, then those around them fix those around them and so on.
In this way , both "good" and "evil" benefit bringing about true good, rather than evil that is just called good.
Quote from: CubeMelonClock;1387447The whole system of crime and punishment is counterintuitive -- you fix nothing and cause more suffering, whether it be through putting the individual in prison to rot, or by just killing them all together. You are fighting fire with fire.
The only reasonable solution is that YOU as an individual take the person who committed the crime and help them to see the error of their ways -- the causes of suffering and how they are adding to it and in turn hurting not only others, but themselves as well. There should be no "system" of judging or fixing people, but rather the "good" people should fix themselves, then fix those around them, then those around them fix those around them and so on.
In this way , both "good" and "evil" benefit bringing about true good, rather than evil that is just called good.
If you can't convince me then you certainly won't convince a murderer.
How I see it: As long as an individual poses no harm to a society, that society has no right to kill him.
We have prison and mental institutions available to remove a person's ability to damage a society. I see no reason for a death penalty on top of that.
Quote from: Zombie Lincoln;1387531How I see it: As long as an individual poses no harm to a society, that society has no right to kill him.
We have prison and mental institutions available to remove a person's ability to damage a society. I see no reason for a death penalty on top of that.
Unfortunately on the christian society families go insane by watching the murderer once again (or at least as I am aware, heck knows how other families go by that) I don't think as fresh-and-new Billy Bob Doe can truck down the avenue saying hello to the Forrester's after killing their child 25 years ago.
Quote from: TequilaClock;1387561Unfortunately on the christian society families go insane by watching the murderer once again (or at least as I am aware, heck knows how other families go by that) I don't think as fresh-and-new Billy Bob Doe can truck down the avenue saying hello to the Forrester's after killing their child 25 years ago.
I'm assuming that someone being considered for the death penalty would be serving a life sentence in prison otherwise.
Quote from: RomanClock;1387528If you can't convince me then you certainly won't convince a murderer.
The trick is that it is equally hard to convince both that they are wrong. Really though, it isn't a matter of convincing -- it is not my job, all one has to do is live like a truly good person and touch those around them who are willing to listen, and not look down on those who won't listen.
To relate it to Christianity, as I know you can well relate to it, it is all about being JUST LIKE Jesus. If you know him well, then you know how to rightly act.
>>For others who want to jump on me for talking about a Christian perspective, I am just going to make it clear to you that I am not a Christian, I just agree with the religion if practiced correctly. That is to say, being just like Jesus is undeniably a good thing.
Quote from: TequilaClock;1387561Unfortunately on the christian society families go insane by watching the murderer once again (or at least as I am aware, heck knows how other families go by that) I don't think as fresh-and-new Billy Bob Doe can truck down the avenue saying hello to the Forrester's after killing their child 25 years ago.
Um, I don't know what you're saying but it sounds like you're attacking religion and has nothing to do with the death penalty, if not please clarify.
Our entire approach to the criminal justice system is a bit off-kilter anyway. It seems to be mostly a tool of moralistic revenge, not a method of actually repairing situations and ensuring safety. This is especially so in the case of "victimless crimes", most notably the consumption of illegal intoxicants. Nonviolent individuals are placed in situations where they are surrounded by violent individuals and often become violent. Prison doesn't cure crime, it escalates it, causing already traumatized people to become more damaged before letting them back out into society.
This is no solution. I agree whole-heartedly that violent individuals need to be kept from the rest of society for our safety, but if a person's not actually physically dangerous to those around him, there's no reason to lock him up. Aside from doing him wrong personally, you may very well make a monster.
That said, a change in policies on non-violent crime would likely decrease congestion in prisons and in turn decrease violent crime. Still, I don't think you should kill fluke offenders or expose them to real hardened killers, so the death penalty might be sensible with those who aren't going to get better, to prevent them from rubbing off on the rest of the population. In every case, though, I think it's important that society address the root of the behavior and not just lash out in anger. If you have any intention of helping them become less of a danger to their peers, violent people need therapy, not more violence.
Economically it doesn't make sense. It costs more to kill someone than to put them away for life. And I don't approve of it ethically either. Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Quote from: DiscoBall;1387132they won't get better.
Because you have no faith in them. And even if they don't get better, there's life in prison already for those extreme sentences.
QuoteAnd prison is just for less important crimes.
Because we have the death penalty for more extreme ones. Circular dependency.
QuoteWhy should someone who killed people or something of the sort get free food, water and a place to stay?
Spend a week in prison, why don't you, and then complain about how fucking nice a hotel it is.
QuoteIf they die, they will learn their lesson
No they won't because there is no lesson to learn and they will cease to exist in any form which means all you did is make sure they were criminals to their very last.
QuotePlus it'll make the criminals
You think they don't think twice before making a choice that could render the next few decades of if not the entirety of their lives meaningless and painful?
Quotethe insane think twice before committing these crimes.
You don't seem to understand the word insane.
Quote from: Zombie Lincoln;1387531We have prison and mental institutions available to remove a person's ability to damage a society. I see no reason for a death penalty on top of that.
I would go so far as to say even prison fails to hit the mark. It started off with a cute idea: put all these dysfunctional people together in a little "mini society" and let them learn how to properly act within real society. But of course, there was no way for this to work because you are asking dysfunctional people to learn from other dysfunctional people, so really all they learn is how to become better at being dysfunctional!
Meanwhile, society has shifted it's intention of prison from being a place where criminals can learn how to act to looking at it as a means of revenge. It is no longer meant to help criminals in any way, and it is built in such a way that very few actually come out better off than how they came in, and many repeatedly return.
People need to be able to look at criminals as just people -- the ferry scene in Batman demonstrates this whole subject pretty darn well.
That is just kinda what I see observing from the outside and based on what i've been told by people who have actually been in prison.
>>as for mental institutions, I just don't know enough at all about them, or the people who are placed in them to say anything, so I'm not gunna touch that one with a 10-foot pole!
Prisons cost too much. They should separate crimes that involve physical assault, terrorizing, arson, some cases of theft, drug dealers, rapists and murderers and then the other group like druggies, small thieves, minor vandalism, etc.
Yeah, cost is definitely a huge problem with all this as well. I personally don't want my tax money going into an ineffective system.
Quote from: CubeMelonClock;1389562Yeah, cost is definitely a huge problem with all this as well. I personally don't want my tax money going into an ineffective system.
My beef is that they get better medical dental and food paid for by the government than the homeless on the streets, now there is something wrong with that
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1:05 I had to lol.
Too bad this isn't true :(
That would be AWESOME