If you say "yes" or "no" it means he is not perfect.
That's like saying can you make a number larger than infinity, it doesn't prove anything. He is the epitome of perfection, there is no higher degree.
Possibly.
In the Bible, God created language because, as the humans were building the Tower of Babel, God and Co. started getting nervous that they could become as powerful as they themselves were. So, if there was such a threat, that means that God could possibly create something more powerful than Himself.
This story is not meant to be interpreted literally, of course, so... maybe not.
Quote from: Δ;1172141infinity isnt a real number, it doesnt tangibly exist like 3 or 170. its just an abstract idea. i guess you're right then its a good metaphor for god. own
Not that abstract, there are things that exist that are infinate, the universe is the best example.
Also I'm taking a stop here so I don't go en route to 2005 avenue.
Quote from: Prince Fielder;1172192Not that abstract, there are things that exist that are infinate, the universe is the best example.
I read this book by some guy and he said the universe was finite but boundless.
Quote from: joliet_jane;1172186Possibly.
In the Bible, God created language because, as the humans were building the Tower of Babel, God and Co. started getting nervous that they could become as powerful as they themselves were. So, if there was such a threat, that means that God could possibly create something more powerful than Himself.
This story is not meant to be interpreted literally, of course, so... maybe not.
I thought it was more the case that he was pissed that people were dishonouring his greatness by attempting feats that would equal his own, and so he scattered everyone far and wide
Quote from: Prince Fielder;1172192Not that abstract, there are things that exist that are infinite, the universe is the best example.
Wether or not the universe is infinite is still a pretty hotly debated issue among physicists.
Quote from: LeekClock;1172247I thought it was more the case that he was pissed that people were dishonouring his greatness by attempting feats that would equal his own, and so he scattered everyone far and wide
Yeah, me too. That's what I remember from church and Sunday school. But the text looks different from that:
QuoteAnd the Lord said, Behold, they are one people and they have [a]all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do, and now nothing they have imagined they can do will be impossible for them.
7Come, let Us go down and there confound (mix up, confuse) their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
Quote from: joliet_janeCome, let Us go down and there confound (mix up, confuse) their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
even this proves that "god" is inperfect, what kind of a moron wouldnt want people to understand each other?
Quote from: Ovenmitt Clock;1172492even this proves that "god" is inperfect, what kind of a moron wouldnt want people to understand each other?
why would God have to make people understand each other? Wouldn't it make sense for him to prolong his fun by setting additional challenges to his creations?
Also I thought that the tower was a story to explain the difference of languages.
Why do people even start God-based debates here?
Quote from: Masquatto;1172617Why do people even start God-based debates here?
It's a mystery.
Quote from: Masquatto;1172617Why do people even start God-based debates here?
I think this thread was a success
Quote from: Guy Incognito;1172712I think this thread was a success
god must be a woman because women can be fuckin hott (hotness makes you more perfect)
Yes because he is not perfect.
Built-in favourable paradox :fez:
Quote from: joliet_jane;1172186Possibly.
In the Bible, God created language because, as the humans were building the Tower of Babel, God and Co. started getting nervous that they could become as powerful as they themselves were. So, if there was such a threat, that means that God could possibly create something more powerful than Himself.
This story is not meant to be interpreted literally, of course, so... maybe not.
I think God did that because they were being arrogant, not that He was afraid of them.
I also don't have a problem with saying God can't create something more powerful than Himself. Then again, He did create miniature gods, which would be us.
Quote from: Ruben Rybnik;1172504why would God have to make people understand each other? Wouldn't it make sense for him to prolong his fun by setting additional challenges to his creations?
man...god has a shitty taste of entertainment.
if you are trying to disprove god, you failed before beginning because you acknowledged him.
(btw did i miss an avi :bandwagon)
Life is like The Sims to God, except He always keeps the free will option on and only on occasion will He set off fireworks INSIDE of the house.
Quote from: AnimeClockI wonder if it ever bothered God that he could never create anything without instantly foreseeing its entire history be it 7 days or 7 million years.
But then if God can do anything can he make it such that he doesn't know, that it would be a surprise for him?
I've always wondered if it was possible for God to destroy one of his powers permanently, but then if he does then he can no longer do anything or everything, what a paradox.
I already said this before this thread came about, but I disagree that it makes God imperfect. By your logic, if God is able to do something then He or She
has to do it. If God exists, is it unreasonable to say that He can make a being greater than him, but that he won't make it?
Quote from: joliet_jane;1172186Possibly.
In the Bible, God created language because, as the humans were building the Tower of Babel, God and Co. started getting nervous that they could become as powerful as they themselves were. So, if there was such a threat, that means that God could possibly create something more powerful than Himself.
This story is not meant to be interpreted literally, of course, so... maybe not.
I think it's more symbolic of humanity's arrogance that they thought they could do something like that.
I think, personally, that God could do it, but could then make himself more powerful again.
Quote from: ApeClock;1173766I think, personally, that God could do it, but could then make himself more powerful again.
Maybe he does it over and over, and all the other world's gods are just gods that did that. Or maybe the former gods are walking among us somewhere... :sherlock:
Quote from: Guy Incognito;1172106If you say "yes" or "no" it means he is not perfect.
This is an atheist lie meant to pull us away from God's beaten path.
And yes he can. With paradox, but without contradiction, if you appreciate the subtle difference. Like Marlin noted, Infinity is a concept and not a real number, and God's power is likewise the roof of power and not actually of any measure of power. He, in fact, creates power himself, and alone in his infinite form he has no real power. So by dividing himself into creation at all he is really making something more powerful than himself.
Quote from: Ti-83Clock;1172817if you are trying to disprove god, you failed before beginning because you acknowledged him.
Yeah, like once this guy tried to prove that the Earth wasn't flat, but he failed before he began because he acknowledged the fact that the theory existed, amiright?
Seriously though, religious topics+cc=ughhh/why? :facepalm:
Quote from: Masquatto;1172617Why do people even start God-based debates here?
So people can have an excuse to be an ass.
Quote from: Miss Sakaki;1173727I think it's more symbolic of humanity's arrogance that they thought they could do something like that.
I love the idea that gods can do anything they want but envy the human spirit.
Quote from: 42 6f 72 67 46 54 57;1173832Yeah, like once this guy tried to prove that the Earth wasn't flat, but he failed before he began because he acknowledged the fact that the theory existed, amiright?
Seriously though, religious topics+cc=ughhh/why? :facepalm:
yes... the "theory" existed...
if you want to disprove God, simply dont acknowledge "it"
Quote from: Chiyo-Chichi;1173991I love the idea that gods can do anything they want but envy the human spirit.
building a big tower =/= being the source of existence
Quote from: Chiyo-Chichi;1173991I love the idea that gods can do anything they want but envy the human vanity.
Fixed.
I GOT BANNED FOR POSTING THIS EXACT TOPIC.
Quote from: Guy Incognito;1172106If you say "yes" or "no" it means he is not perfect.
God isn't a person. God is everything.
HE WAS CALLED THE BOMB CLOCK
Quote from: Ti-83Clock;1172817if you are trying to disprove god, you failed before beginning because you acknowledged him.
So you cant talk about god as a fictional character?
Shit, this must mean that I believe that Deadpool is also real.
to bad the writers died 2000 years ago else we could have asked them.
Quote from: PIRATECLOCK;1174450to bad the writers died 2000 years ago else we could have asked them.
more like 1000 years ago
What's up with all the angst Ovenmitt? What do you have to win by saying God is fake, and what do you have to lose by saying he is real?
Quote from: Johnny Rocketfingers;1174516What's up with all the angst Ovenmitt? What do you have to win by saying God is fake, and what do you have to lose by saying he is real?
what angst?
Quote from: Ovenmitt Clock;1174522what angst?
Well you're always making badass cynical comments which is an angsty teens' trademark
Quote from: Johnny Rocketfingers;1174530Well you're always making badass cynical comments which is an angsty teens' trademark
so only agnsty teens can be sarcastic and cynical?
Quote from: Ovenmitt Clock;1174534so only agnsty teens can be sarcastic and cynical?
no only athiest angsty teens can
Quote from: Ovenmitt Clock;1174534so only agnsty teens can be sarcastic and cynical?
That's usually the case.
Quote from: Miss Sakaki;1174538That's usually the case.
nam... you dont know many people do you.
Quote from: Ovenmitt Clock;1174540nam... you dont know many people do you.
Most of them have grown out of their bitchy angst phase.
Quote from: Miss Sakaki;1174542Most of them have grown out of their bitchy angst phase.
oh i see, so disagreeing is same as bitching.
also, way to derail the topic guys.
If god could suck his own cock...
Would he?
Quote from: Ovenmitt Clock;1174553oh i see, so disagreeing is same as bitching.
also, way to derail the topic guys.
"I don't agree with what you said" ≠ "Ha ha, sly zinger"
Quote from: Toki Wartooth;1174557If god could suck his own cock...
Would he?
Best post ITT
Quote from: Miss Sakaki;1174564"I don't agree with what you said" ≠ "Ha ha, sly zinger"
"Ha ha, sly zinger" ≠ "angsty"
Quote from: Toki Wartooth;1174557If god could suck his own cock...
Would he?
He would and wouldn't simultaneously.
Quote from: Poltergeist;1174292I GOT BANNED FOR POSTING THIS EXACT TOPIC.
That's because it's a shitty, "GOT YOU NOW, GOD!!!1" topic.
Quote from: cast;1174339God isn't a person. God is everything.
He's a person, too, though, since we're part of everything, eh?
Quote from: Toki Wartooth;1174557If god could suck his own cock...
Would he?
the questions moot, we've already proven in this topic that god is a hot woman.
don't answer guys trick question
Quote from: GreyClock;1172239I read this book by some guy and he said the universe was finite but boundless.
I think what that means is that everything in the universe only goes out so far, but it could keep going because there is no real edge. I believe that the "universe" is really just a large cloud of matter and energy sitting in the middle of infinite nothingness. I don't think you could go past the edge of the universe and then just vanish like "Oh shit, sorry, I didn't know I was already at the edge lol!". You'd keep on going. You'd just be going through absolutely nothing. It would be a lonely voyage. If you were immortal and depended on nothing for sustenance, you might eventually make it to another universe. Of course, this is all just theoretical thinking here.
Anyway, I suppose that I should actually contribute to answering the question at hand, despite the fact that I am an atheist who is considering becoming a fundamentalist Pastafarian.
If God is truly infinite in power, then your question is a logical paradox. If God's power is truly infinite, then He should be able to create anything, and that includes beings exceeding His power level. However, infinite power cannot be exceeded, so the very existence of such a being is impossible. Therefore, there are only two possible answers, and my mind can only really concieve one of them without risking cranial explosion: either God is so powerful that He can defy the laws of logic and create a being of more-than-infinite power, or His power is not truly infinite. To create the illusion of superior power, He could simply create an all-powerful being that is simply willing to use its power. However, that would spell disaster for us all.
Sorry for the long post. I personally think that if there is a God, then He or She is simply a member of a superior race that collects lesser lifeforms and watches them grow, much like humans with ant farms.
Actually, when you reach the end of he universe, you go on until your momentum reaches terminal velocity and you are attracted back into the universe by the collective gravity of everything in it. And you can never really reach another universe in the same space of this one by any definition, or they wouldn't really be universes, now would they? They'd just be supremely huge entity clouds.
He did, actually. His Name was Jesus. :)
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