Deja Vu (already seen)
Jamais Vu (never seen)
Presque Vu (almost seen)
Quote from: HeinekenClock;1304358Actually when you're having a deja vu your mind is storing the impression in short term and long term memory at once, instead of moving it to long term later. This gives you the impression you've seen the scene before already, because what's in your long term memory usually happened a while ago.
OR, its the mind contradicting itself. The memory is saying it has happened, but (forgot the name), which determines reasoning I believe, says it never happened. Basically, you think it has happened, but it hasn't. As opposed to Jamais Vu, "it happened, but you don't remember." In a way, it can be like short-term memory loss, yet you usually have a feeling that you should have see nit before, like knowing the name of a person. This is not Presque vu of course, which is knowing something, but you simply have trouble remembering it (aka Tip of the Tounge).
It's also said that its an event in similarity that was forgotten, but nonetheless stored in the brain, most likely the sub-conscience.
There are also 3 different kinds of Deja Vu as well:
Deja vecu (already lived) which is, in a way, a "vision" of sorts. It's feeling that you have livd the entire experience in great detail, which usually include sight and sound. You can also "predict" the next thing said or the next happening.
Deja viste (already visited) which is seeminly knowing a lot of something you shouldn't, like knowing your way around on an interstate that you have never been on (without the use of a map of course).
Deja senti (already felt) which is knowing something that has been told you for the first time, but then later remembering that you have never heard it before. (If I understand this one correctly.)
There are many mysteries about deja vu, since it cannot be triggered in a lab so easily. Some say it is remembering a dream, which can link to your long-term memory; others say (who believe in reincarnation) that it is past-life experiences.
What are your thoughts? What causes deja vu and the like? Are these visions real? Or fake?
Someone told me Deja Vu is when information gets to the left eye faster than to the right
Seems kinda logical
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But seriously I have had what is considered Deja Vu a few times. Some times its happened years later and also happened when I had the vision the technology wasn't around yet (ie something that happened with personal computers) and I was like 10 or something (ok so they were around but not readily used).
I believe that Deja Vu is your mind placing what is happening in long term memory rather than short term, as said in the first post.
Quote from: ʎɹɹǝqlıʌǝ;1304585I believe that Deja Vu is your mind placing what is happening in long term memory rather than short term, as said in the first post.
But also, how could you explain the feeling of Deja vecu then? Unless you have future telling powers, you could not predict what has not come.
Hey, does this page by any chance give you a deja vu?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deja_vu
Quote from: Reisen;1304603Hey, does this page by any chance give you a deja vu?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deja_vu
Does the fact that I submitted to that page count?
No.
I have had vivid, perfect experiences, both in dreams and in real life that have been perfectly replicated later on, to the degree that I can name the time and date that the original events occurred. I can believe the long term memory insertion is applicable to those cases of deja vu (along with the more casual, sensation-only ones) only if it inserts it at a specific point in chronological memory.
Quote from: WreckingBall;1304599But also, how could you explain the feeling of Deja vecu then? Unless you have future telling powers, you could not predict what has not come.
PREDICT.
You kind of guess it, and you're completely correct. You don't KNOW it, you just kind of have the feeling that it's happening, but it's just that clean of a feeling.
Also, yeah. I can see these things happening somewhat monthly in my life style.
If the OP means it's real as in, I'm telling the future in a sense of Deja vecu, then no. More over it's a hypothesis on the matter, but you feel very correct because you get the feeling that you just KNOW it.
I've also gotten this feeling myself on a few occasions that I can recall. As for Deja viste, I have no opinion about. Sounds creepy. I've had the OPPOSITE around. I know something by heart, but then I try to do it and strangely enough it feels like I'm going through some unexplained maze that I've never been through before. (It's that bad when people at your school hall laugh at you. In their WHEELCHAIRS.)
Visions, I have no explaining to do for it. If it's false, I'll be running up to people saying that "I'm the one that told ya so!" but if it's proven true, in some weird event, then I'll just be quiet on the subject. I don't believe somebody sees in the future unless it's pure chance. Though I've had a dream where something happens and it happens the direct next day exactly how, it's just a coincidence.
If you're 20, you've been alive for 20 years. That's 7,300 nights. That's an assload of dreams, so I'll assume it's pure coincidence that it would happen in that time of your life.
However, once I almost had a dream where it happened exactly as planned, only I didn't find thirty little kittens ontop of the stairs. Strange fucking dreams.
Quote from: WreckingBall;1304363Some say it is remembering a dream, which can link to your long-term memory...
I'd say remember remembering a dream is no more or less likely than remembering something that actually already happened, considering if you remembered a dream at all, you would probably have some conscious memory of it, taking Baddeley's model of working memory as axiom and assuming dreams are stored on the visuospatial sketchpad.
All information gathered by the senses (except scent, but that's not the point) is relayed through the thalamus, and it compares that information to our memory, to see if a similar situation has happened before.
A deja-vu occurs when the information gathered by the senses is stored in the memory faster than the thalamus has had the chance to check the memory for similar data. Thusly, it finds the situation that was recorded miliseconds before, and makes us think we experienced it before, though it was really the same situation we stored too fast.
I believe deja vu goes alot deeper and reveals more into human consciousness then we know it to. I also think there is a broader range in deja vu then perople realize. LSD flashbacks have shown me that. To me, and acid flashback is like overwhelming deja vu. It gets powerful enough to where I know everything that is happeneing and everything that is about to happen, and then it usually does.
For example, I had one just this week. I was raking leaves in a friends backyard and I broke the spoke on the rake. I got sudden deja vu, I knew the rake was going to break, then I turned to my friend and I knew exactly what he was going to say "You're destroying my god damn rake". I was in too much awe to respond.
I think deja vu goes further then just thinking on a present scale (Dealing with memory mispacement) but rather into what memories actually are themselves. The truth is, since time is an illusion you're actually at all places you ever will be at all times at once. Since we are forced to move along the dimension of time, can't see where we are in said dimension in any direction, and only know where we are at that time. Memories are reflections back along the line that we can remember, but memories can work in both directions. Much more difficult to do because we havn't been pushed to given spots in the future, we can still recall bits of memories from things that have not yet happened. Probably from a glitch between short term and long term memory as others already said.
I just thought the definition could go a little deeper
Quote from: Teapot;1306462PREDICT.
You kind of guess it, and you're completely correct. You don't KNOW it, you just kind of have the feeling that it's happening, but it's just that clean of a feeling.
Also, yeah. I can see these things happening somewhat monthly in my life style.
If the OP means it's real as in, I'm telling the future in a sense of Deja vecu, then no. More over it's a hypothesis on the matter, but you feel very correct because you get the feeling that you just KNOW it.
I've also gotten this feeling myself on a few occasions that I can recall. As for Deja viste, I have no opinion about. Sounds creepy. I've had the OPPOSITE around. I know something by heart, but then I try to do it and strangely enough it feels like I'm going through some unexplained maze that I've never been through before. (It's that bad when people at your school hall laugh at you. In their WHEELCHAIRS.)
Visions, I have no explaining to do for it. If it's false, I'll be running up to people saying that "I'm the one that told ya so!" but if it's proven true, in some weird event, then I'll just be quiet on the subject. I don't believe somebody sees in the future unless it's pure chance. Though I've had a dream where something happens and it happens the direct next day exactly how, it's just a coincidence.
If you're 20, you've been alive for 20 years. That's 7,300 nights. That's an assload of dreams, so I'll assume it's pure coincidence that it would happen in that time of your life.
However, once I almost had a dream where it happened exactly as planned, only I didn't find thirty little kittens ontop of the stairs. Strange fucking dreams.
Yes, but you really can't use time as a factor. Ok, so what? 7300 nights seems like a good arguement, but you are awake for much longer than you are dreaming. Also, if the past life theory is correct, then you could have over 500 years of past life experience for deja vu to work with. Also, that still doesn't explain all of the types of deja vu. You can't learn the layout of a city simply because you saw it in a dream, since you need to know the layout of the city to be able to dream about it. And its hard to explain deja senti with dreams.
I hate Presque Vu. Deja vu is pretty cool though. I've never experienced Jamais Vu.
I've experienced all three. I have one of them daily, at least. My therapist says it's all in my head, but then again, she was the worst therapist ever. Mostly I have Deja Viste. But often, I have Deja Vecu, and when I do, it's kinda scary. When it comes to Deja senti, that happens often, but that kinda happens with everyone, doesn't it?
It started happening after a really traumatic experience when i was 12 or 13. Thats also when I started my Night-Terrors, which of course led to my insomnia and ochlophobia.
Surprisingly enough, I don't take any drugs :D
*damnit Firefox spell check, I don't mean agoraphobia!
Quote from: Cheshire Clock;1309888I've experienced all three. I have one of them daily, at least. My therapist says it's all in my head, but then again, she was the worst therapist ever. Mostly I have Deja Viste. But often, I have Deja Vecu, and when I do, it's kinda scary. When it comes to Deja senti, that happens often, but that kinda happens with everyone, doesn't it?
It started happening after a really traumatic experience when i was 12 or 13. Thats also when I started my Night-Terrors, which of course led to my insomnia and ochlophobia.
Surprisingly enough, I don't take any drugs :D
*damnit Firefox spell check, I don't mean agoraphobia!
These are almost the same. If you have agoraphobia (an abnormal fear of being in crowds, public places, or open areas, sometimes accompanied by anxiety attacks.), the you also have ochlophobia, which is fear of large crowds.
I have phobophobia. :3
Quote from: WreckingBall;1310111These are almost the same. If you have agoraphobia (an abnormal fear of being in crowds, public places, or open areas, sometimes accompanied by anxiety attacks.), the you also have ochlophobia, which is fear of large crowds.
I have phobophobia. :3
Lawl, poogle.
But thats just it, I don't have an abnormal fear of being in public places or open areas, just the crowds, the
people. I always get the anxiety though! :D
Actually, agoraphobia is the fear of the crowded places, not open spaces. Agora means marketplace.
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Quote from: ZeitmiserZeitmesser;1311441Actually, agoraphobia is the fear of the crowded places, not open spaces. Agora means marketplace.
Agoraphobics are the people who don't leave their homes. Ever see Benchwarmers? Yeah, David Spades brother in the movie was an agoraphobic. Or... a... solarphobic or something. But I'm pretty sure he was agoraphobic. Regardless what agora means, Agoraphobics usually refer to people who are afraid of going outside.
Quote from: Cheshire Clock;1310259Lawl, poogle.
But thats just it, I don't have an abnormal fear of being in public places or open areas, just the crowds, the people. I always get the anxiety though! :D
By italicizing
people you almost made me call you a xenophobic.
Shit, I just did.
Anyway, déjà vu happens occasionally to me. The other two happen on a regular basis and I don't find them really phenomenal or anything. Maybe because I don't read too much into them. Ah well.
Quote from: ZeitmiserZeitmesser;1311441Actually, agoraphobia is the fear of the crowded places, not open spaces. Agora means marketplace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AgoraphobiaI used to suffer from this quite a few years ago.
I get something like agoraphobia sometimes but it's not that severe. It used to be a lot worse in Boston, where there were crowds everywhere. I usually don't have a panic attack but I often need to get myself out of a crowded situation before I get too agitated. That's why I'd always go to the museum while it was mostly empty. I suppose it's also why I don't go to crowded bars.
Quote from: BoltClock;1311521By italicizing people you almost made me call you a xenophobic.
Shit, I just did.
Anyway, déjà vu happens occasionally to me. The other two happen on a regular basis and I don't find them really phenomenal or anything. Maybe because I don't read too much into them. Ah well.
That would be a fear of people who are strangers, of different from me. For me it's people in general. It could be my best friends and family all around me, and I would still freak.
I'm claustrophobic but I also get it sometimes when I'm in the middle of a crowd. What's that all about eh.
Quote from: ginjerbredclock;1304423Someone told me Deja Vu is when information gets to the left eye faster than to the right
Seems kinda logical
I get deja vu and I'm blind in one eye so there goes that theory.
Quote from: ElementsClock;1311578http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agoraphobia
QuoteTriggers for this anxiety may include crowds, wide open spaces or traveling
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Quote from: ZeitmiserZeitmesser;1311441Actually, agoraphobia is the fear of the crowded places, not open spaces. Agora means marketplace.
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Quote from: ⊲UpdateClock⊳;1312234.
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Yes, but generally, people with agoraphobia aren't referring to their fear of going to Wal Mart. It's fear of leaving your home. I know this.
Quote from: WreckingBall;1312288It's fear of leaving your home.
QuoteTriggers for this anxiety may include crowds, wide open spaces or traveling
Jesus guys, is it so hard to admit that Loki is right too?
Quote from: WreckingBall;1312288[size=9]I know this.[/size]
lol nice argument
Trust me, I know this. It's a very specific type of phobia, and I have been diagnosed.
Agoraphobia is too broad, my fear is very specific.
Quote from: Cheshire Clock;1312984Trust me, I know this. It's a very specific type of phobia, and I have been diagnosed.
Agoraphobia is too broad, my fear is very specific.
Yeah, maybe it's both really. It DOES seem broad, just the only cases I had ever seen were fear of leaving the house, a situation that the person could not control what was happening.
Marketplace refered to a generally populated place. The origin came form Greece, since phobia is Latin, and Greeks were smarties and made lots of these scientific names. The marketplace was basically the place were one would find people, and crowds, and a lot of happenings that could make an agoraphobic scared.
Quote from: WreckingBall;1313057Yeah, maybe it's both really. It DOES seem broad, just the only cases I had ever seen were fear of leaving the house, a situation that the person could not control what was happening.
Marketplace refered to a generally populated place. The origin came form Greece, since phobia is Latin, and Greeks were smarties and made lots of these scientific names. The marketplace was basically the place were one would find people, and crowds, and a lot of happenings that could make an agoraphobic scared.
Thats exactly why it is not agoraphobia, I don't fear a lack of control, it's not even a fear, per say, just an extreme dislike for being in a crowded area.
Quote from: WreckingBall;1313057since phobia is Latin
it's Greek, actually.
Quote from: ⊲UpdateClock⊳;1313312it's Greek, actually.
Really? Wow, thats cool. I didn't know that.
Also, to Cheshire, you may not have a level 3 fear of it. There's pet peeve, and then fear, then horror.
Horror- You're horrified, and scream very loudly. Most people have this when they are cornered and a mass murderer with a large bloody knife and no face is creeping toward you.
Fear- You scream, and want it to go away. Like when someone sees a mouse or a bug and they start running with their arms up like the creature is going to jump at them.
Pet Peeve- More of an annoyance, and you try to avoid it. Like a smelly man, or maybe the guy who can make his eyeballs do a 360 into his head.
Quote from: WreckingBall;1313464Really? Wow, thats cool. I didn't know that.
Also, to Cheshire, you may not have a level 3 fear of it. There's pet peeve, and then fear, then horror.
Horror- You're horrified, and scream very loudly. Most people have this when they are cornered and a mass murderer with a large bloody knife and no face is creeping toward you.
Fear- You scream, and want it to go away. Like when someone sees a mouse or a bug and they start running with their arms up like the creature is going to jump at them.
Pet Peeve- More of an annoyance, and you try to avoid it. Like a smelly man, or maybe the guy who can make his eyeballs do a 360 into his head.
My symptoms:
breathlessness, excessive sweating, nausea, dry mouth, feeling sick, shaking, heart palpitations, inability to speak or think clearly, becoming mad or losing control, a sensation of detachment from reality or a full blown anxiety or panic attack.
But not due to an extreme feeling of fear, it's an extreme feeling of discomfort (though, to be fair, my doctor says that it is fear, just very intense fear, which is something I've never experienced outside of a panic attack, so it's hard for me to compare it with any other feeling of fear I've had.).
Quote from: Cheshire Clock;1313670My symptoms:
breathlessness, excessive sweating, nausea, dry mouth, feeling sick, shaking, heart palpitations, inability to speak or think clearly, becoming mad or losing control, a sensation of detachment from reality or a full blown anxiety or panic attack.
But not due to an extreme feeling of fear, it's an extreme feeling of discomfort (though, to be fair, my doctor says that it is fear, just very intense fear, which is something I've never experienced outside of a panic attack, so it's hard for me to compare it with any other feeling of fear I've had.).
Fear happens in different ways. That could be either you trying to fight the fact that you are scared, or that is just how you handle fear; a way that your body is trying to give you the finger and telling you to deal with the current situation.
That may be horror, but it could be just more of fear mixed with discomfort. I think it's the latter, but hell, I'm no doctor.
Anyway, back to Deja Vu.
I get it a lot and it's weird.
Quote from: Cheshire Clock;1313765Anyway, back to Deja Vu.
I get it a lot and it's weird.
déjà vu right now
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