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Instead of communism, the new scare-tactic and money-cow is called "global warming". Communism was a very different animal, but just as illusive and misunderstood.

I don't doubt that the earth is warming, that is pretty well documented. But for the media to say that humans are completely to blame and that it isn't natural in majority is bullshit. It's a mockery of our intelligence, and I am sick of it.

Greenland is covered with ice, when it used to be GREEN. If the Vikings were to attempt their discovery of the Americas today, they would never succeed because the waters they traveled are far colder today than they were back then.

Science proves that the earth was once much hotter than it is now only a few hundred years ago and so will it be again. To assume that the current average temperature of the planet is supposed to be a constant (at whatever temperature suits us) is as asinine as believing the orbit around the sun is a perfect circle.  Hell, it's almost as stupid as saying that the Sun orbits Earth! Who are we to say that xx degrees is the "optimum" average temperature? Who are we to say that the polar caps are always supposed to be solid, when we know they have not always been that way?

The fact is that the entire planet has seasons, in ADDITION to our equatorial annual seasons. It rotates around the Sun in an orbit that has an elliptical wobble to it, and as such the Sun's exact effects on our little planet will change from century to century. Our planet's orbit is also effected by the orbits of all other heavenly bodies in our solar system.

Our planet is NOT a closed system. The average distance from the Earth to the Sun fluctuates every year, and has never been constant. The exact effect and length of these global seasons is not yet documented because science as it exists today hasn't been around long enough to witness one full seasonal cycle, let alone had the ability to record consistent data. Oh and lets also ignore the fact that the energy the sun emits is also not constant, and that it does not send it out in all directions uniformly.

Think about it this way.  If a human life only spanned a couple months, then the next generation in the northern hemisphere might think that the planet was entering an ice age, when in fact it was just the coming winter. In this case the planet is just entering it's next phase. Humanity is too short-lived and naive to realize this, so we jump to the conclusion that something is horribly wrong and that WE have to fix it (because obviously we are to blame, right?).

The earth is NOT broken, this is just a Green Scare.

I'm fine with "getting green" and using alternative energy, all that jazz. The problem I have is with the scare tactics and the blatant misuse of facts trying to convince the masses that we are near some kind of Apocalypse. It's all quite medieval if you stop to think about it.

Just like the ancient mystics once twisted the words of religion to suit their needs, politicians and greedy men are now twisting the works of science to fill their wallets and give them power.

Many officials know that this is just a scare, but are forced to go with the ebb and flow of the masses in order to avoid being seen as ignorant, when in fact the vast majority of people are swallowing this whole and becoming part of the greater ignorance that is our nation.

Greenland was never green.  The Vikings, when they discovered Iceland, found it to be a really great place and didn't want people to come flocking to it when they reported the discovery or whatever, so they named it Iceland to turn people away from it.  Greenland is pretty much vice versa.

Quote from: oɦʇɐʞdoʇ;1355205Greenland was never green.  The Vikings, when they discovered Iceland, found it to be a really great place and didn't want people to come flocking to it when they reported the discovery or whatever, so they named it Iceland to turn people away from it.  Greenland is pretty much vice versa.

Sorry, I wasn't saying that Greenland was once green just because of the name, but because of the signs of vegetation found under the ice sheet that now covers the vast majority of Greenland.

I agree with the fact that it's getting to be a rapture-esque scare at this point where it's getting preached to children that they have to do something about it, but I doubt it's all exaggeration. Water is probably colder because there are 1. melting ice caps 2. a higher water level, making the temperature of the mass of water change more slowly, if not harder to change and 3. the temperatures of water and land don't correspond with each other because water temperature is slow to change to begin with. As well, I would think that scientists researching global warming have taken into account the varying sun's temperature and distance from the earth to the sun. Despite the fact that it's already been this hot before, the temperature increase has been so abrupt that it can't be attributed to nature alone, and as such we're throwing off a balance which we can solve by getting cleaner energy.

Hell didn't humans survive the ice age as fucking cavemen? We have enough knowledge to survive another one anyway. (that's at least my hope there aren't much pole lickers)

I think its cyclical and people can get over it with careful measures, of course it is not like talking about a meteor coming ahead, it is serious and must be taken with anticipation and/or prevention.

Hope fully some people might have the same thought and just don't want to make it worse as to reduce the C02 amount in the atmosphere, it won't stop it from coming ahead though.

Hysteria. Ruling the human race for over 200,000 years.

I don't see the harm in the idea of fighting global warming, whether or not humans are responsible.  Even if we reduce our pollution and deforestation for the wrong reasons, that's still a step towards the good.

I hired 10 scientist that do not study weather and eventually got 8 of them to say global warming is real, therefore most scientist believe in global warming. Now that its a fact, you can make yourself feel less guilty by giving me money and then I say the magic words and your pollution is gone!

if you're wondering why I felt the sudden need to vent... It was something like this:
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CHILD ABUSE!

Honestly I'm pretty sure that I'll be dead by the time anything really terrible happens to the world to end life as we know it.

I used to be scared of death, now I welcome it because I am an awful self centered person

Quote from: Deep Blue;1355402if you're wondering why I felt the sudden need to vent... It was something like this:
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TICK TICK TICK HOLY shiT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIIIIME

with or without global warming, getting less pollution, cleaner energy and more trees is good for us and for all

Quote from: Deep Blue;1355402if you're wondering why I felt the sudden need to vent... It was something like this:

Wow, that would get me steamed too.

Quote from: HazardClock;1355411with or without global warming, getting less pollution, cleaner energy and more trees is good for us and for all

yes but global warming is being used to manipulate people into doing it. people are too stupid to take action until they think they can see that their lifestyle is being threatened.

Quote from: mc snax;1355417yes but global warming is being used to manipulate people into doing it. people are too stupid to take action until they think they can see that their lifestyle is being threatened.

I am all for getting stupid people to straighten their act up.

I'm all for informing people about something, but I hate ads targeting children because they're impressionable.

On this whole natural cycle thing, which I fully agree with, do you guys have any idea what this will do to plant life? The extra heat, stronger weather, more rain, and extra co2 in the atmosphere will surround us in a steamy and green uber-jungle.

Quote from: Bill Nye;1356195I'm all for informing people about something, but I hate ads targeting children because they're impressionable.

Although I agree with what you say, I don't think that ad was targeted at children. It was meant to bring gullible adults (especially parents) into a panic by suggesting that their children will have to live through the catastrophic consequences of global warming. Of course, it is true that the children will have to live with it, but the commercial turns it into a cause for panic. I believe that global warming is the result of a combination of natural and man-made causes. As for its potential deadliness, I won't pretend to know about that, but I think it's a good idea to care about the environment. It is bad of the politicians to use it to manipulate people like this, though. I think it's just one of a number of threats to humanity's survival. If we don't poison ourselves, we'll probably blow ourselves up.

On the topic of ticks, there will be more of them because of the heat!!! So remember, avoid going outside! tick

Quote from: BunnyClock;1356234On the topic of ticks, there will be more of them because of the heat!!! So remember, avoid going outside! tick

That remenbers me that I;m alergic to them, so I'm screwed

You know apparently being a cheap lazy motherfucker is one way of being very green. I've apparently always been green without even really knowing it. I don't drive around at all, I buy shit that saves on the electricity bill, and I never turn my appliances on. Hell I sit around all day eating microwaved quesadilas.

Some people do take it too far, and some of the "technology" that has come out is questionable at best. So for the sake of fun I'm going to make a picture list of shit that will NOT save the planet.

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Green burials

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These bulbs(Though they do save on electricity bills)

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Bozo the Clown's "Pimp My Ride" (Plus they are unsafe on American roads)

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Comes in regular premium and unleaded

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This asshole

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These aren't very good for the environment.

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These people although they would make excellent compost if we just killed them.

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It's not like the fresh melting ice won't clean the spills.

Case in point the whole world thinks that light bulbs, midget cars, and not eating animals is going to save the fucking planet enough to do all this other stupid crap.

I don't think PETA is out to save the world. They're batshit insane. Most of the time it seems like they're trying to exterminate the human race or something for its "transgressions" against animals.

Also who buys the whole animal when they buy shrinkwrapped meat?

Well exterminating human beings would clearly bring "carbon footprints" down. I say we start with them, and use their organs to plant some great big oak trees. And of course they're not out to save the world. None of this shit is really, it's just suggested as so in society hence why it is on that list!

SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!![/I]

Quote from: Marlix Wright;1356633SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!

It's hella fucking tasty is what it is.

Y'know, I've always wanted to see that movie but Idno since I already know the big plot twist since it's been quoted by every pop culture show ever devised.

fuck environmentalist shit, most of it isn't true, the only benefit to it is it saves on money. i guess i would be "thinking green" by using a bicycle as primary transportation, but i do it because bikes are very enjoyable to ride, the fact that gas is expensive is just a bonus for me not having to buy it.

Quote from: Deep Blue;1355209Sorry, I wasn't saying that Greenland was once green just because of the name, but because of the signs of vegetation found under the ice sheet that now covers the vast majority of Greenland.

Yeah, not since humans have been there, no. The name was the only way to get anybody to immigrate, and then probably not be allowed to leave.

Quote from: The Hero of Winds;1356638Y'know, I've always wanted to see that movie but Idno since I already know the big plot twist since it's been quoted by every pop culture show ever devised.

It goes on after that, though, and I think the main character struggles to take down Soylent and such. Also, there's shower sex.

Quote from: Not Blackmagic;1370270It goes on after that, though, and I think the main character struggles to take down Soylent and such. Also, there's shower sex.

No. It ends with his discovery. And then it fades into a montage of a bunch of meadows that you see when you go into the assisted suicide clinics where they show you what the world was like before mankind fucked everything up.

And I don't care about sex. As long as Charlton Heston is having it, I don't want to see it.

EDIT: Other than Al Gore, I have never seen a politician seriously talk about the environment. While I don't doubt that it'll become a serious issue, they only mention it in passing, focusing on the economy and other social issues. I don't buy at all into people's conspiracy theories about how those damned liberals and scientists (because, really, what do people who have devoted their entire lives to researching the Earth know about the environment, amirite?) are trying to get us all rallied around this 'save-the-earth' bandwagon. I don't think politicians care enough, and I certainly don't think the majority of people care enough to rally behind a cause like that, because god-forbid they should dramatically alter their lifestyles in a way that will actually be easier and more economically sensible in the long run.

Moreover, I for one am sick of so many people joining the 'global warming is bad but there's no way to stop it so fuck all' ideology. Nice job, gentlemen, you have successfully reduced every environmental issue and concern we have into a bastardization of one theory. I seriously don't understand the logic: The earth has natural cooling and warming periods, therefore it is impossible that life on the planet can have any significant contribution and potentially cause disastrous environmental consequences. All you are doing is rejecting global warming as a way of personally washing your hands of all environmental concerns.

hey ted kennedy is awesome and if you don't think so you're a communist.

Global warming is a hoax made to make people vote democrat. lawl.

Al Gores facts are flawed, he says there have been no fluxuations, and in his charts it shows that...however the medieval warming period was rubbed out? Curious.

It's weird how people are blaming the "green scare" on politicians and people who "want to fill their wallets" when the people pushing the hardest on global warming and similar issues (people like Green Peace) are actually very anti-business, far-left people.

They are trying to harm business, big industries, and capitalism in general because of their ideology.

no its not global warming its global cooling the temperature is dropping everyday

Quote from: yo if your smart you;1372690It's more or less dependent of where you live. I've never heard of that big Environmentalist scene in Florida, be it the lefties or the scientific community. Though I've heard they get the same FOX News stories on Al Gore as the rest of the world. Not to dismiss that there isn't a scientific community in Florida but Environment Canada tackles a lot of Florida's toxicological related problems each year.

Uh, what? Can you reword this or something, I don't know what your point is (for real, I'm not trying to be a bitch).

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Also, I've been meaning to tell you because it's been bugging me:

idea =/= ideal
(They don't mean the same thing. They are not interchangeable.)

I think human interference has some part in the climate warming up, but definitely not as much as the media wants us to believe.

Too bad climate control isn't really this easy!

I believe it's "Climate change" now.

Quote from: yo if your smart you;1373440Green Peace, PETA, and the like, are not to blame for the Green Scare. Green Peace has been using the "Green Scare" since the 80's, if not the '70's, without any one making a fuss over it. Although all of these Environmentalist groups have been pushing for years for more attention to the matter; it was not until politicians, the media, and corporate schmoes took advantage of it, that the "Green Scare" became so heavily turned to.

I'd say that's true. It's really been a gradual increase over the years, jumping from one issues to another. Save the whales, save the Amazon rainforest, now it's save the entire Earth from warming. The difference is that more people are on board now, like you said. But it remains that the a lot of the direction for the movement is coming from these environmentalist groups.