Clock Crew

I leave you fucking people alone for just three years, and you go around and split into multiple websites. Again. How many times have you done this!? I just got some giant e-mail from this board that spoke from the first and singular person, signed by 'The Clock Crew Team'. Who is this team? What did you all do!?

Where is the wikipedia page that gives me the most up to date version of the Clock Crew fucking up

don't look at me man, i'm just chilllin

:queer:

hey insomia basically we're nearing stage 3.52 of the clockcrew, where history repeats itself.
.cc/.net will soon asplode and then there will be 10 or so small sites where everyone picks their favourite, and then we'll all end up at one of them and it'll be run by a newcunt, and then everyone will get upset because they arnt doing a good enough job and then someone will get banned or really angry (girclock) and he'll start  a new site, so that when the person running the current site get pissed that no one likes him/cares everyone will go to girclocks site and then girclock will be mucsled out of the team etc etc

lol iPod is a prophet

dont ask me

Oh hi Insomnia how's it going?

Quote from: SplatterClock;1358358lol iPod is a prophet

or you know I've been here long enough to know how this works

Quote from: Insomnia;1358347I just got some giant e-mail from this board that spoke from the first and singular person, signed by 'The Clock Crew Team'. Who is this team? What did you all do!?

If you´ve been in the CC long enough Somni, you can guess.
iPod hit it on the head.  Unfunny and shit members that move yet further away from the original Clock spirit just accelerated the process.

Basically the CC is now divided into three groups, the angry, the unfunny and the apathetic.

Its 2004 again but without the fat chick.

HEY HEY

YOU YOU

I DON'T LIKE YOUR GIRLFRIEND

Quote from: MonsterMunchClock;1358373Basically the CC is now divided into three groups, the angry, the unfunny and the apathetic.

Its 2004 again but without the fat chick.

Could not have put it better myself.

Quote from: MonsterMunchClock;1358373Its 2004 again but without the fat chick.

Don't be silly we still have iPod.

Sorry somni, this site doesn't have enough admins (or something).

Quote from: LeekClock;1358430Sorry somni, this site doesn't have enough admins (or something).

Yeah two active admins CableShaft and you, both that are too busy but I doubt you will read this as you have selective hearing.

abandon ship!

Oh no there are a bunch of things going on and I have no idea what they are because I don't read or respond more than one or two lines from every six or seven posts in threads that are directly addressed to me. That's ok, that's plenty of time to admin the site without any help.

Quote from: AlbinoClock;1358446Oh no there are a bunch of things going on and I have no idea what they are because I don't read or respond more than one or two lines from every six or seven posts in threads that are directly addressed to me. That's ok, that's plenty of time to admin the site without any help.

I think we're addressing the situation already and my heart swells with pride that everyone cares so much (read: trolls me every time i post) about the clock crew

we all know that your admining floppydisc because he's paying for the server with his disability welfare.

just do it already so we can all go home

i'm an unfunny and shit member who doesn't contribute much AND YET I'M STILL HERE :cool:

Quote from: LeekClock;1358451I think we're addressing the situation already and my heart swells with pride that everyone cares so much (read: trolls me every time i post) about the clock crew

My heart swells with pride everytime you skip across a vaild point.
(oh was that me being a troll?????)

Quote from: CalamityCock;1358459My heart swells with pride everytime you skip across a vaild point.
(oh was that me being a troll?????)

Is that supposed to be you... not being a troll?

This is why I don't respond to every one of these posts. Just work on your own projects and stop worrying about the speed at which your medals are handed out. If you're here for the site and not to further your own creative interests then I'm very sorry.

Quote from: Thing T. Thing;1358458i'm an unfunny and shit member who doesn't contribute much AND YET I'M STILL HERE :cool:

just spoke for everyone

Quote from: LeekClock;1358464Is that supposed to be you... not being a troll?

This is why I don't respond to every one of these posts. Just work on your own projects and stop worrying about the speed at which your medals are handed out. If you're here for the site and not to further your own creative interests then I'm very sorry.

I couldn't give a fuck about medals, you can even take all mine away and I wouldn't bat an eyelid. I am here to further my own creative interests in flash not video editing or anytihng like that.

Quote from: CalamityCock;1358468you can even take all mine away and I wouldn't bat an eyelid.

Do this.

I belong in the sexy group.

Quote from: Charlie.;1358469Do this.

Yeah do it.

Quote from: CalamityCock;1358508Yeah do it.

it'll probably get added to the to-do list.
I'll laugh at your lost of awards is 6 months!

Quote from: CalamityCock;1358508Yeah do it.

it'll probably get added to the to-do list.
I'll laugh at your loss of awards is 6 months!

Quote from: Charlie.;1358525it'll probably get added to the to-do list.
I'll laugh at your loss of awards is 6 months!

lol 6 months your being a bit optimistic aren't you!

Quote from: Charlie.;1358525it'll probably get added to the to-do list.
I'll laugh at your loss of awards is 6 months!

He'll have doubled his awards by the time they disappear.

I *could* do get rid of his medals right now, but I don't really feel like stroking his ego.

But please oh please stroke me ego!

Quote from: SageClock;1358561I *could* do get rid of his medals right now, but I don't really feel like stroking his ego.

Not caring about medals should be rewarded, not punished.  I say we give him a medal.

Pff, this was the first time I trolled you in days. If you actually reply to my points sometime maybe I'll lay off.

I feel like I've seen this all before.


wait

oh shit

Quote from: Zombie Lincoln;1358565Not caring about medals should be rewarded, not punished.  I say we give him a medal.

I like this man, he thinks outside of the box!

Why does everyone argue in every thread of this site?

I do not get why everyone is so stressed...

Am I the only one currently not bothered what with is happening and is still making flash despite whatever happens on the website?
Correct me if I am wrong; The Crews worth is measured in produced flash and not how much we love eachother on different web forums, even if this is a major plus when functional.

Propaganda is right.

Let's all hold hands and never get our flashes done because we're too busy jerking off to anime characters and child porn

Quote from: PropagandaClock;1358619I do not get why everyone is so stressed...

Am I the only one currently not bothered what with is happening and is still making flash despite whatever happens on the website?
Correct me if I am wrong; The Crews worth is measured in produced flash and not how much we love eachother on different web forums, even if this is a major plus when functional.

It's because we are running out of time to end our animations

Quote from: PropagandaClock;1358619Am I the only one currently not bothered what with is happening and is still making flash despite whatever happens on the website?

No, you're not the only one, and you've got a very healthy attitude, by the way. You know the hundreds of people that aren't speaking up and aren't participating in these discussions? Well they all likely feel the way you do, or similarly. Or just don't care.

You'll notice the same three people are posting all these threads, and the same handful of people keep repeating and agreeing with them (with very few exceptions). What they're doing is subverting everyone through our cognitive biases, especially one in particular, the "availability cascade" (at least that what it's called according to Wikipedia). You may have heard the saying "Repeat something enough times and it becomes the truth." It's a common propaganda tactic, and they're all using it here (to very good effect). But it doesn't mean what they're saying is actually true, it's just our brains focus on what gets repeated a lot. I'm just as guilty of falling prey to this fallacy, although I am aware of it so I'm at least somewhat less affected than others.

Here's what this site has to say about the fallacy:

"Accepting Repetition as Evidence: Sometimes a person will simply repeat their opinion when asked to provide evidence to justify an assertion or belief they have expressed. They may repeat their position emphatically, engage in various dominance displays, highlight various power symbols, show impatience, or assert their positional power as they simply repeat their opinion. A variation of this fallacy is to claim “everyone knows . . . is true” as the evidence. But repetition is not evidence, and it should not be accepted as evidence. "

Quote from: SageClock;1358643No, you're not the only one, and you've got a very healthy attitude, by the way. You know the hundreds of people that aren't speaking up and aren't participating in these discussions? Well they all likely feel the way you do, or similarly. Or just don't care.

You'll notice the same three people are posting all these threads, and the same handful of people keep repeating and agreeing with them (with very few exceptions). What they're doing is subverting everyone through our cognitive biases, especially one in particular, the "availability cascade" (at least that what it's called according to Wikipedia). You may have heard the saying "Repeat something enough times and it becomes the truth." It's a common propaganda tactic, and they're all using it here (to very good effect). But it doesn't mean what they're saying is actually true, it's just our brains focus on what gets repeated a lot. I'm just as guilty of falling prey to this fallacy, although I am aware of it so I'm at least somewhat less affected than others.

Here's what this site has to say about the fallacy:

"Accepting Repetition as Evidence: Sometimes a person will simply repeat their opinion when asked to provide evidence to justify an assertion or belief they have expressed. They may repeat their position emphatically, engage in various dominance displays, highlight various power symbols, show impatience, or assert their positional power as they simply repeat their opinion. A variation of this fallacy is to claim “everyone knows . . . is true” as the evidence. But repetition is not evidence, and it should not be accepted as evidence. "

Nice straw man fallacy. What we're doing is addressing points that then get ignored by Leek and dismissed by yourself. Repetition, in this case, is not a propaganda tactic, but a foolish hope that maybe someone will actually read the fucking thing and have something to say about it. We are not presenting repetition as evidence, we are repeating ourselves because the two of you don't seem interested in replying to our points. Now normally I'd just give up, but in this particular case the individuals doing the ignoring are most unfortunately those who control the situation.

So in other words, when you guys are done making excuses and dismissing opinions, would you actually fucking address some of this stuff?

Why can't we all stop bitching about what's going to happen to the cc again in the future? How about living in the present for once and maybe trying to have fun while we're at it. I come to these forums and this site because I still find good threads to read here, I still learn a thing or two at times from you guys at time, and I like to watch the newest humor filed clock film every now and then or see what the new fad at the good old cc is. I come here because regardless of whether it's as fun or as cool as it used to be, it still is fun. I don't know about anyone else here, but I enjoy my time here. If some of you weren't so busy posting threads like these maybe you would too.

tl;dr

I like how you managed to make your point without raping us with massive blocks of text, Propaganda.

Well primarily what you say over and over again is "the admins don't do anything, we need more admins", even while we're doing our jobs and getting things taken care of fairly quickly (instead of unimportant things like a BBS skin, or "adding features", which in another post you'll claim we have too much crap and are too cluttered). And then if we don't respond in five minutes or don't argue each sentence of your extremely repetitive posts and mostly vapid posts, you'll go "SEE!!!?!! FURTHER PROOF WE NEED MORE ADMINS!" and post yet another thread saying pretty much the same damn thing, but from a slightly different angle.

It's not a straw man (because I'm not simplifying or misrepresenting your position here with the repetition assertion, this is outside of your argument. this is your technique, not your content. and i addressed the content in the first paragraph). It IS what you guys are doing (even if subconsciously), and there's enough proof on this BBS there's pretty much no way you can refute this, man.

Okay, you're not doing it in a calculated way; you're not going "okay, if we repeat this X number of times, then we win!" but, just like... Rush Limbaugh, for example, it's part of your overall, unplanned strategy because you see it gets results from other people. You've already got at least some people, like in this very thread, going "oh, it'll take the admins six months to remove his medals", when obviously there's no reason it takes that long.

Now that's not to say that there's absolutely no way we could benefit from more admins. Admins are more likely to help than hinder. But there's not an OVERWHELMING need for new admins right away, and no one has really made themselves out like they really want the job, except you, just you, who is resorting to constant harrasment and are showing pretty obvious favoritism with the guys that agree with you so much I'm really don't think it would be a good idea to put YOU in charge anymore. Sure, you may be passionate, and usually level-headed, but you've been going about this in a way that's counterproductive (and this is coming from a guy who was mostly in support of you becoming an admin last week. you were doing a pretty good job of persuading me until recently.)

The ClockCrew is what you make of it.

Quote from: SplatterClock;1358656Why can't we all stop bitching about what's going to happen to the cc again in the future? How about living in the present for once and maybe trying to have fun while we're at it. I come to these forums and this site because I still find good threads to read here, I still learn a thing or two at times from you guys at time, and I like to watch the newest humor filed clock film every now and then or see what the new fad at the good old cc is. I come here because regardless of whether it's as fun or as cool as it used to be, it still is fun. I don't know about anyone else here, but I enjoy my time here. If some of you weren't so busy posting threads like these maybe you would too.

I enjoy my time here too, I'd just like to see things run a bit more smoothly. Yeah, the CC is changing, but we have internetcult to preserve the kind of CC we'd like to see. There isn't any good reason not to give some active users the ability to make this site actually progress.

That aside, if you don't like these kinds of discussions why do you read these threads and post in them?

Quote from: CadillacClock;1358672Witty retort, awaiting ban/martyrdom

Don't be silly that would stroke your ego.

Quote from: AlbinoClock;1358669There isn't any good reason not to give some active users the ability to make this site actually progress.

That aside, if you don't like these kinds of discussions why do you read these threads and post in them?

You're not talking about JUST a change, but an entirely different ClockCrew. The current status is do whatever you want. Who is stopping you from being an old school flaming funny guy? No one.

And people can't avoid these threads when they're the only ones getting attention and posts.

Quote from: CadillacClock;1358675Your logic is flawed. Go read what Clam and I wrote. I'm not explaining it, again. I will simply say that you cannot represent something that does not adhere to your own ideals. It is hypocritical. Why would I dismiss one perverted little furry/anime-aficionado and love the other? Such ideals are doomed to conflict.

You're doomed to think your opinion and belief is superior then all others. I'm not saying we couldn't use another Admin, but you're taking it all the wrong way. Present the problem, present a solution. Not present the problem, and present the problem, and present the problem, and

Well, thanks for the clarification guys. All of these essays on the current state of the Clock Crew reminds me of that essay I wrote back in 03 on the apathy of the Clock Crew. I'm fully in support of Leek being a dictator, if that's true or not. He was there then, and he was one of the few people that cared about what seemed like the apparent dismantling of the Clock Crew.

Since we're in the trend of pointing at history repeating itself, I'll just state the obvious that most people seem to be missing. The Clock Crew has fallen apart, splintered into multiple cells, and converged back together again multiple times. It seems we're splintering now, and given enough time, we'll be united again, for lack of a better term.

So, my final question: How many websites do we have now, and can someone link them so that I can slip between them like the two-faced communist that I am?

P.S. I'll be animating again :3 ClockDay gets fagified once more for the first time in years.

Edit: Also, Leek, make me an admin again. I want some petty power.

Quote from: Insomnia;1358715So, my final question: How many websites do we have now, and can someone link them so that I can slip between them like the two-faced communist that I am?

P.S. I'll be animating again :3 ClockDay gets fagified once more for the first time in years.

just here and internetcult, glad to have you back btw.

Quote from: Insomnia;1358715P.S. I'll be animating again :3 ClockDay gets fagified once more for the first time in years.

:dance:

Quote from: Insomnia;1358715So, my final question: How many websites do we have now, and can someone link them so that I can slip between them like the two-faced communist that I am?

For the moment, just two, and the other one is at internetcult.org. You should check it out sometime. I'm told it's quite nice, and I plan on booking a reservation there myself when I get the vacation time approved.

Quote from: SageClock;1358666Well primarily what you say over and over again is "the admins don't do anything, we need more admins", even while we're doing our jobs and getting things taken care of fairly quickly (instead of unimportant things like a BBS skin, or "adding features", which in another post you'll claim we have too much crap and are too cluttered). And then if we don't respond in five minutes or don't argue each sentence of your extremely repetitive posts and mostly vapid posts, you'll go "SEE!!!?!! FURTHER PROOF WE NEED MORE ADMINS!" and post yet another thread saying pretty much the same damn thing, but from a slightly different angle.

I've never said we have too much crap, I've never said we're too cluttered. I do think that the site is damn near impossible to navigate, that it could use a simpler layout for slower connections and machines, and that it might be nice if some of the projects that get a bunch of hype (like the credit system) actually got finished instead of abandoned. You guys never actually address my concerns, you fucking make up concerns that I don't have and address those or twist my words so that you can make a witty retort.

Real fucking mature.

QuoteIt's not a straw man (because I'm simplifying or misrepresenting your position here, this is outside of your argument. this is your technique, not your content. and i addressed the content in the first paragraph). It IS what you guys are doing (even if subconsciously), and there's enough proof on this BBS there's pretty much no way you can refute this, man.

You don't seem to know what a logical fallacy is. To use a logical fallacy is to attempt to back a claim using fallacious logic. When questioning why we need more admins, you are met with numerous reasons, which you have apparently chosen to ignore rather than address. Logic pertains to the requirements for making a claim, not to how often I attempt to present an argument. You are executing a strawman argument by suggesting that I am attempting to back my claim with repetition, which I'm not doing.

QuoteOkay, you're doing it in a calculated way; you're not going "okay, if we repeat this X number of times, then we win!" but, just like... Rush Limbaugh, for example, it's part of your overall, unplanned strategy because you see it gets results from other people. You've already got at least some people, like in this very thread, going "oh, it'll take the admins six months to remove his medals", when obviously there's no reason it takes that long.

Just because you didn't bother to read my reasons doesn't mean I didn't give you any. Which is strange because I could have sworn you replied to at least a couple of them, albeit rather dismissively.

QuoteNow that's not to say that there's absolutely no way we could benefit from more admins. Admins are more likely to help than hinder. But there's not an OVERWHELMING need for new admins right away,

There's never going to be an OVERWHELMING need for admins. This is a fucking forum. There's no overwhelming need for anything because this isn't a survival based system. It's pretty damn pointless to restrict admin privileges to two people who are too busy to put much time into it. I appreciate that you guys do what you do, but even when I was just asking for ANY admins you were both really hesitant and I had to harp on about it forever just to get the time of day. That's what I don't like. This isn't just your community, its ours too, and it's selfish of you to refuse to let it have a regularly updated website just because you don't think it's important.

Quoteand no one has really made themselves out like they really want the job, except you, just you, who is resorting to constant harrasment and are showing pretty obvious favoritism with the guys that agree with you so much I'm really don't think it would be a good idea to put YOU in charge anymore.

Why would anyone make themselves out like they want the job? That just makes you guys decide that they shouldn't be able to have it. Raising concerns is whining and offering to help is making a grab for power. It's absurd.

As far as bias is concerned, if I was biased in the way you're suggesting I wouldn't have banned Lambda the other day. I wouldn't have warned kodiak or lazydoctor before banning them, and a hell of a lot more people would be banned from this site.

You jump to an awful lot of conclusions about my motives for a guy who doesn't seem to bother reading my posts. That or you're just lying about my arguments, god forbid. Skimming, perhaps?

QuoteSure, you may be passionate, and usually level-headed, but you've been going about this in a way that's counterproductive (and this is coming from a guy who was mostly in support of you becoming an admin last week. you were doing a pretty good job of persuading me until recently.)

Counter-productive how? The first thing I tried to do was bring it to you guys in the grid. I tried that three times. The first time, if I remember correctly, it was mostly dismissed and Renegade left. The second time Renegade was added as an admin, then freaked out and left again. The third time Leek toyed with the idea for a while and we even came up with a list of people, but a month later when I talked to him he was back to the "we don't need one" song and dance.  

That's when I brought it up in general and then eventually volunteered to do it when it seemed apparent that no one else was going to step up.

I tried to take care of it in private, but you guys wouldn't have that, so I brought it out to the public forum to see what the rest of the community thought and a lot of them agreed with me. If you guys had actually taken the time to communicate with the rest of the staff when they address concerns to you, I never would have had to take it to the rest of the community. We could have talked about it amongst each other over the course of a week or so and figured out what to do. That's how we used to do it when we actually had an operational staff with goals and ambitions beyond "make sure the forum doesn't explode and guilt people into making flash when they complain".

The cause of this isn't that you guys suck or are unfit to be administrators or anything like that, it's that your lives are too busy. That's understandable. It's good that you have busy lives, but we need administrators who are here frequently and are trying to push things forward. We need people to be arranging staff meetings and figuring out what the next contest is going to be, if it's going to have prizes, etc. Somebody to harp on the staff about judging contests and stuff. If you have time to do all that shit frequently then go ahead and do it, but something tells me you don't. If that's the case, it's time to let someone else help.

Quote from: Unreal Maddox;1358674You're not talking about JUST a change, but an entirely different ClockCrew.

Uh, no. Just this site with a more active staff, like we had a year or two ago.

QuoteThe current status is do whatever you want. Who is stopping you from being an old school flaming funny guy? No one.

I might be able to get away with it, but a lot of people get banned for it. Regardless, the issue of the CC changing and the issue of .cc needing more admins are entirely apart from one another and have different solutions. The solution to .cc needing more admins is admining more people, whereas the solution to undesirable changes in the CC is InternetCult.

QuoteAnd people can't avoid these threads when they're the only ones getting attention and posts.

Uh, yes they can. All they have to do is not click on the thread.

Quote from: CadillacClock;1358681I will sum up my feelings, at this very moment: I dislike the hypocritical bullshit that is accepted amongst members of the Clock Crew. We have come to such a point where the Clock Crew is not even a vague resemblance of its former self. It represents all what it once disdained and hated. There are only a handful of new and old members who resemble anything of the past.

I can accept that the Clock Crew is an artistic community but it also had a foundation and conduct to go by. Now it seems as if we are more accepting of users than a Deviant Art forum.

I get your problem, but I don't understand, what an additional admin can change about this? People like Albino are able to ban people they dislike already, with their current mod-power. I just don't see why everyone makes such a big deal out of this admin-status.

PS:
And seperate from that, what is all the "We totally hate Leek since he has never done anything but destroing the CC ever!!!!!"-bandwagon shit about?

Quote from: IcedTeaClock;1358738I see the problem you have, but I don't understand, what an additional admin can change about this? People like Albino are able to ban people they dislike already, with their current mod-power. I don't see why everyone makes such a big deal out of this admin-status.

The difference is the ability to modify the site.

QuotePS:
And seperate from that, what is all the "We totally hate Leek since he has never done anything but destroing the CC ever!!!!!"-bandwagon shit about?

I can't recall seeing much in the way of "we totally hate leek". A lot of people certainly disagree with some of his decisions.

God, I'm so tempted to reply and let myself get dragged into yet another 3 hours of arguing, but you're right, I have to start being more mature.

There's more important things to do on the CC site besides argue with you Albino. Clock Day is in almost 30 days and I really wanted to get the Clock Crew Movie Database launched by that day, but I've easily lost a lot of that time I have set aside for the CC trying to defend myself instead of actually getting shit done.

My apologies.

Have fun with your threads (and for the record, I've read every post you guys have made up to this point, but there's soo many of them, how can you expect me to keep absolutely everything straight and who said what and who did what?). This time I WON'T be reading them. You've made you points, I've read them, now things will or won't happen. Further discussion on my part is a waste of time.

Stop whining so much guys. We are a flash community, there have been a lot of contests and informative frontpage posts recently and as a flash community that's all we need. The clock crew is only stuck in this anti productive stage because of all the drama.

Why the hell do you people focus so much energy on defending yourselves when I'm not even attacking you? If one of you two would quit fucking dodging every question and putting words into my mouth this shit would be resolved by now.

You guys have this kind of shoddy leadership and expect me not to speak up about it? Fuck this shit, I tried.

Let's just shut down both sites.

Quote from: AlbinoClock;1358735The cause of this isn't that you guys suck or are unfit to be administrators or anything like that, it's that your lives are too busy. That's understandable. It's good that you have busy lives, but we need administrators who are here frequently and are trying to push things forward. We need people to be arranging staff meetings and figuring out what the next contest is going to be, if it's going to have prizes, etc. Somebody to harp on the staff about judging contests and stuff. If you have time to do all that shit frequently then go ahead and do it, but something tells me you don't. If that's the case, it's time to let someone else help.

[...]

Regardless, the issue of the CC changing and the issue of .cc needing more admins are entirely apart from one another and have different solutions. The solution to .cc needing more admins is admining more people, whereas the solution to undesirable changes in the CC is InternetCult.

Didn't saw that post before I made mine.
But those 2 paragraphs finally answered my last questions, about whats actually going on here, pretty well.


and:

Quote from: SageClock;1358755I've read every post you guys have made up to this point, but there's soo many of them, how can you expect me to keep absolutely everything straight and who said what and who did what?

Quote from: AlbinoClock;1358761If one of you two would quit fucking dodging every question and putting words into my mouth this shit would be resolved by now.

You need to try to get some understanding for the other side, instead of feeling kinda insulted whenever someone doesn't completely agree with an argument.

Whut!?

Quote from: Zombie Lincoln;1358721:dance:

:ohboy: :ohboy: :ohboy:

Quote from: CadillacClock;1358777I've stopped caring myself though

You certainly have not stopped caring.  You have been posting in this thread quite a bit about these issues.

Personally I think I would make a great admin ^w^d!

Quote from: Lala Satalin Deviluke;1358809Personally I think I would make a great admin ^w^d!

I support this notion.

Quote from: Lala Satalin Deviluke;1358809Personally I think I would make a great admin ^w^d!

yes

CadillacClock, being apathetic is hardly a label you could put on Leek, and even if he was; Comparing to past Admins that would be a positive trait when nearing these turbulent times (ClockDay).
Even so, rushing things will not bring solutions without risk and the risk is worse than any possible reward could compensate for taking.

(bear in mind this text bellow is from judging multiple topics and not only conserning heiniken.)
Also, clocks like HeinikenClock have, for better or for worse, as much of a right to hang on this site as you. He has the right to learn from his (many) mistakes, to evolve  and trial himself untill one day when he can contribute to this site to the point where his past errors are shaded and forgotten: Much like many clocks past mistakes have.

None of us, no matter age in the crew or amount of contribution. Are flawless, all of us once opend flash and internet explorer for the first time. How can we expect new clocks to learn and finally contribute if we ban or throw them of the site?

Sorry if I went overboard with this post, might be abit overkill.
I just do not see the reason for throwing torches and waving pitchforks at these relativly quiet times.
"Love thy enemy, giveth; without concern for reward: And you shall be; Sons of the Lord most High!"
Lastly do not take this personally, {{{CadillacClock}}}

Let's just go over the facts shall we instead of participating in these redundant arguments:

- People who are not satisfied with the current state of this site are free to join InternetCult

- InternetCult offers an alternative for many members and is growing very quickly

- If Clockcrew.cc wants to keep the majority of their membership they'll need to address these issues, regardless of if they want to or not

- Hello

I vote for Cadillac as scapegoat.

Quote from: uɪɥɔɹn;1358838- Hello

Is it me you're looking for?

i have no idea whats going on with all this breaking apart bologna

Threads like this make you look like politicians guys. Stop for your mental security.

Next issue: CoalClock for mod and CatClock for admin >w<

Quote from: CadillacClock;1358807Is it not probable that I became much more apathetic towards this thread as it dragged on meaninglessly? At some point even, completely apathetic? You people are really dumb.

stop caring.

Quote from: AlbinoClock;1358649What we're doing is addressing points that then get ignored by Leek and dismissed by yourself.

What the fuck is Leek supposed to be doing here? Splitting up the Clock Crew with his bare hands so you people will stop bitching about how the Clock Crew is going to end ANY FUCKING MINUTE NOW, which you've been doing since before I even got here? It's like a 24-hour, 7-days-a-week menstruation envy party here. You people NEVER STOP. EVER.

MOMMY MOMMY MOMMY MOMMY LISTEN TO MEEE LISTEN TO MEEEEEEE
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Leek give me some of your candy or I'm going to make my own club, and it will be better than yours, and everyone will leave your club and join my club, because everyone likes me better, and you won't be invited. >=(

ohshit.

Quote from: Thing T. Thing;1358458i'm an unfunny and shit member who doesn't contribute much AND YET I'M STILL HERE :cool:

:hi5:

Can someone lock any and all threads bitching about the current state of the clock crew? They all turn out to be around 5-8 pages long and usually consist of giant paragraphs that no one reads. Been there done that.

Quote from: AlbinoClock;1358735I've never said we have too much crap, I've never said we're too cluttered...Uh, yes they can. All they have to do is not click on the thread.

This has to be the clearest and most worthwhile post made on the subject to date.  It was worth the posts of dribble that surrounded it.

Quote from: i am envelopeclock;1359328Can someone lock any and all threads bitching about the current state of the clock crew? They all turn out to be around 5-8 pages long and usually consist of giant paragraphs that no one reads. Been there done that.

This is very true.