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She's kinda old for the part, but she looks pretty Aliceish.

Your thoughts?

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Speculation: Might be good, might be good.

goddamnit hollywood

I think the idea has potential, lets not give up hope before it is even out there.

A fine example of a completely unnecessary film.

Quote from: TremcladClock;1392969A fine example of a completely unnecessary film.

Completely unnecessary but at least being handled by a great director.

Quote from: Floss;1392987Completely unnecessary but at least being handled by a once great director.

Fixed

Also I hope Chris Vrenna does the music

Quote from: Biblo Fett;1393000Also I hope Chris Vrenna does the music

Knowing Burton, it's probably going to be Danny Elfman. I love his stuff.

Quote from: Snake Plissken;1393021Knowing Burton, it's probably going to be Danny Elfman. I love his stuff.

yeah i love danny elfman... but... Chris Vrenna!!

Quote from: Floss;1392987Completely unnecessary but at least being handled by a director that is great at one specific type of film when it's his own idea. His remakes are usually shit.

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That actor's face tells me this will look a lot like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and that's the hugest disappointment ever. I'm calling Depp as Mad Hatter

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yeah im waiting for the American McGee version.

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If the movie adaptation of this ever gets made, it'll be far more awesome than anything Tim Burton can shit out.

Quote from: Flux;1393061If the movie adaptation of this ever gets made, it'll be far more awesome than anything Tim Burton can shit out.

Tim Burton is known for dark and gothish concept so his movie is gonna look like a total rip off

Quote from: Flux;1393061If the movie adaptation of this ever gets made, it'll be far more awesome than anything Tim Burton can shit out.

wait... i assumed that Burton's one WAS an adaptation of American McGee's Alice?

that's why I keep saying Chris Vrenna

Quote from: Biblo Fett;1393085wait... i assumed that Burton's one WAS an adaptation of American McGee's Alice?
 
that's why I keep saying Chris Vrenna

Holy fucking shit, are you serious!?

Quote from: Mung Daal;1393098Holy fucking shit, are you serious!?

well i just assumed, i looked it up and it's not so fuck it


i must say, the episodic nature of the source material might actually fit burton. he can't tell a story for shit but alice in wonderland doesn't really have a story. it's more of a series of sketches anyway.


having said that, it'll probably be shit

Quote from: Floss;1392987Completely unnecessary but at least being handled by a director that is great at one specific type of film when it's his own idea. His remakes are usually shit.

Yeah this is more accurate.

Quote from: Biblo Fett;1393104well i just assumed, i looked it up and it's not so fuck it


i must say, the episodic nature of the source material might actually fit burton. he can't tell a story for shit but alice in wonderland doesn't really have a story. it's more of a series of sketches anyway.


having said that, it'll probably be shit

What the fuck, of course he can tell a story. Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood and Big Fish are all great films and had great stories behind them. He just needs to stop letting idiots write his scripts and lay off all the DARK bollocks for a while.

Quote from: TremcladClock;1392969A fine example of a completely unnecessary film.

Disaster Movie

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What the fuck, of course he can tell a story. Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood and Big Fish are all great films and had great stories behind them. He just needs to stop letting idiots write his scripts and lay off all the DARK bollocks for a while.

edward scissorhands and ed wood don't really have a story and big fish is more of a series of stories, but there is an arc in the son

the 2 eds are both just really character driven but there's not really a strong plot to them, they're more a series of events. granted, i think that works in both cases and i couldn't picture the films any other way, but stories they ain't.

fun fact: i got lost in the Alice in Wonderland maze in Disney World Paris when i was 6 orso.

fun fact 2:  when we returned to Disney 6 years later (i was out of the maze by then) my 5 year old nephew got stuck under a fence.... in the Alice in Wonderland Maze!  he also lost a power ranger cap.


Needless to say i'm scared shitless whenever i see Alice in Wonderland.

Also a guy in a Aladdin's Monkey suit wanted to give me a hand and he knocked a ice cream cone out of my hands.. that bastard.

Quote from: Dr. Johan Krauss;1393203Also a guy in a Aladdin's Monkey suit wanted to give me a handjob and he knocked a ice cream cone out of my hands.. that bastard.

fixed?

Quote from: Biblo Fett;1393200edward scissorhands and ed wood don't really have a story and big fish is more of a series of stories, but there is an arc in the son

the 2 eds are both just really character driven but there's not really a strong plot to them, they're more a series of events. granted, i think that works in both cases and i couldn't picture the films any other way, but stories they ain't.

I'm not sure what you consider to be a story but as far as I'm aware a story is just a series of events. What makes it a story rather than a load of shit in a row is that it's a series of events in which a character struggles to overcome whatever obstacles there might be and arrives at a conclusion that he wouldn't necessarily have arrived at if he'd just gone on living his life with no obstacles at all (although of course there are awesome stories that break that rule!). It's the completeness that makes a story a good story if you ask me, and I think that's something that these films have in bucketloads.
I'll admit that Ed Wood is more of a character exploring affair rather than something really plot driven, but Edward Scissorhands is a classic example of story telling. It's practically a fairytale.

That young lady is an absolutely amazing actress, she had a very emotional brilliantly acted SINGLE SHOT five minute speech in In Treatment. I'll see it just for her performace.

Quote from: Poltergeisty;1393296That young lady is an absolutely amazing actress, she had a very emotional brilliantly acted SINGLE SHOT five minute speech in In Treatment. I'll see it just for her performace.

You are fucking back at last!

Quote from: RomanClock;1393128Disaster Movie

Almost every comedy movie ending in the word "movie" is shit.


Hell yes, Poltergeist is back.

QuoteThe problem with making a dark and disturbing version of Alice in Wonderland is that it's pretty dark and disturbing to begin with, which gives it little training wheels that help cultural firebrands ride it into geniusdom once every eighteen months or so.  Masterminding a trippy reinterpretation of Lewis Carroll is like making a version of Crazy Traxi, only crazy!  At this point, about the edgiest thing you could do with Alice in Wonderland is try to make it a little less fucking insane.

http://www.oldmanmurray.com/longreviews/56.html


I liked the part in Disney's Alice when, in the court room, ostensibly for no reason, they decided the March Hare would make a credible witness and called him to the stand, at which point the entire scene dissolved into complete chaos.

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What the fuck, of course he can tell a story. Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood and Big Fish are all great films and had great stories behind them. He just needs to stop letting idiots write his scripts and lay off all the DARK bollocks for a while.

Don't leave out the nightmare before christmas and courpes bride

Quote from: Boston;1393666Don't leave out the nightmare before christmas and courpes bride

the corpse bride's story was pretty messy let's be honest

and he didn't direct the nightmare before christmas, so it's a moot point


i really don't agree that edward scissorhands' story is well structured. i mean, don't get me wrong i do love the film. and i don't think that this story thing is a flaw, i just think it's a different way to make a film. i just don't think this different way always works.

Hasn't Alice in Wonderland been gothed up enough?

would have been cooler with johnny depp as alice, more interested in marilyn manson's lewis carrol biopic.

Why does everyone assume it will be all gothy? Not everything Burton does is gothy. I think it will be a bit more twisted, and maybe a bit darker, but I really don't think he'll make it much darker than the book. I mean, have you read the book? It's pretty dark.

I'm kind of even on this. I'm not gonna pass judgment until it comes out. I love most of Burtons work, but not all of it. I loved his Charlie and The Chocolate Factory, but I don't compare it to Willy Wonka. There is really no need to, they are two different movies based on the same book. I can't see the second one as a re-make because it was SO different.


And another Alice movie is coming out later this/next year, based on the game. Not Burton.

Quote from: Schnitzel;1397692Why does everyone assume it will be all gothy?

stupid question of the year.

Quote from: Joey Jeremiah;1397715stupid question of the year.

Not all of Burton's movies are gothy.

Quote from: Schnitzel;1397720Not all of Burton's movies are gothy.

over half his films are gothy, the staple of burton's style is dark gothy shit, he is known as the dark gothy guy, of course people will assume this movie is gonna be gothy.

Quote from: Joey Jeremiah;1397737over half his films are gothy, the staple of burton's style is dark gothy shit, he is known as the dark gothy guy, of course people will assume this movie is gonna be gothy.

I know, but that's not a safe assumption. At least if you have any knowledge of his work.

Besides, dark, gothy stuff can be cool in the right situation.

Quote from: Schnitzel;1397741I know, but that's not a safe assumption. At least if you have any knowledge of his work.

Besides, dark, gothy stuff can be cool in the right situation.

In your defense, I still might watch this movie. Depending on how it turns, I will watch it with my little cuz.

Quote from: Schnitzel;1397741I know, but that's not a safe assumption. At least if you have any knowledge of his work.

Besides, dark, gothy stuff can be cool in the right situation.

i'm pretty sure the only burton flick i haven't seen is his pile of shit plane of the apes.

Quote from: Joey Jeremiah;1397746i'm pretty sure the only burton flick i haven't seen is his pile of shit plane of the apes.

Agreed, Planet of the Apes sucked.

Quote from: Schnitzel;1397751Agreed, Planet of the Apes sucked.

Yes. One of the very few burton movies I hated.

Quote from: Doctor Barber;1397811Yes. One of the very few Burton movies I hated.

Yeah, me too. They just can't all be gems.

Quote from: Joey Jeremiah;1397580would have been cooler with johnny depp as alice, more interested in marilyn manson's lewis carrol biopic.

I also cannot wait to see Phantasmagoria: The Visions of Lewis Carroll by Marilyn Manson.

But regarding the Tim Burton's Alice, i'm sure it will be good, if not good, atleast watchable. I mean we've heard the Alice story plenty of times, he has a ton of room for his creativity to flow. Personally if it turns out like a bad acid trip, I'll be satisfied.

Expectations dropping rapidly. Burton you asshole, the goddamn Hatter isn't a fucking corpse.






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Expectations dropping rapidly. Burton you asshole, the goddamn Hatter isn't a fucking corpse.

Wow what the hell.

Why does Johnny Depp even need to be in it? I'm really getting sick of him.

Quote from: ButtplugClock;1455615Wow what the hell.

Why does Johnny Depp even need to be in it? I'm really getting sick of him.

Helena Bonham Carter is the Queen of Hearts. However contrary to Depp's Hatter I actually think she could quite possibly play that rather well if they make her look and act like a GODDAMNED LIVING THING.

I. Hate. That. Costume.

Quote from: Cheshire Clock;1455691I. Hate. That. Costume.

It's fucking dreadful goth hot topic t-shirt bullshit.

Quote from: Flux;1455700It's fucking dreadful goth hot topic t-shirt bullshit.

It's like Tim Burton has found a magical money formula, and he is determined to squeeze every last dime out if it. And I really loved Nightmare Before Christmas and Edward Scissor Hands when I was a kid. It's a shame he sticks to only one style.

Quote from: ButtplugClock;1455714It's like Tim Burton has found a magical money formula, and he is determined to squeeze every last dime out if it. And I really loved Nightmare Before Christmas and Edward Scissor Hands when I was a kid. It's a shame he sticks to only one style.

Both original movies. I stand by the fact that he can stick to his "style" when it's his own stuff because he's somewhat good at it in those instances.

It's when he shits it all over other people's work and calls it a remake that I get really pissed.

Is there a reason it's becoming cool to take Johnny Depp and make him look like Michael Jackson?

I'm pretty sick of Tim Burton, I just can't sit through his stuff, and it pisses me off that there are those people who will see whatever tinfoil rapped shit he makes as long as he slaps his name on it

why was i expecting depp to be in it as the mad hatter?

Quote from: Zack Fair;1455907why was i expecting depp to be in it as the mad hatter?

Everyone saw this shit coming miles away despite any optimism.

Depp as the Hatter, Helena Bonham Carter as the queen, Alan Rickman as the caterpillar. Characters that look like corpses. Tim Burton is disgustingly predictable. I predicted all those actors back in February when I first heard about this. I also knew damn well that any optimism was just setting me up for disappointment, but I was optimistic anyway until yesterday.


Crispin Glover even found his way into this. That doofy fuck hasn't done anything worth noting with a happy tone since Back to the Future.

Quote from: Flux;1455912Crispin Glover even found his way into this. That doofy fuck hasn't done anything worth noting with a happy tone since Back to the Future.

Darth Vader came down from the planet Vulcan and told me if I didn't star in Tim Burton's adaption of Alice in Wonderland he'd melt my brain!

Quote from: Joey 1337;1455922Darth Vader came down from the planet Vulcan and told me if I didn't star in Tim Burton's adaption of Alice in Wonderland he'd melt my brain!

Ahahaha!

GOD DAMN YOU Burton!111

You guys are fucking idiots if you didn't expect this to come out horrible. It's disgusting this is one of the larger threads going on in this section, why can't you guys watch good cinema?!!

American Mcgee is a hack and everyone who enjoyed his Alice game should be ashamed.

Shame!

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Shame!

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Shame!

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Quote from: FloundermanClock;1456273American Mcgee is a hack and everyone who enjoyed his Alice game should be ashamed.

Shame!

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Shame!

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Shame!

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This has  absolutely nothing to do with American Mcgee. That game was great because it was it was called American Mcgee's Alice, making it clear it was his own take. Burton is claiming this is staying true to the original and pretending he's doing a good job of it.


@sixshooter: There's a difference between trying to be optimistic and actually thinking it will be good.

You guys are I'm a edgy teen if you thought he wouldn't overly goth-it up.


Seriously, that's the draw of his movies, nobody actually believe this is trying to be original, people will always view it as "Tim Burtons Alice in Wonderland" and not "Alice in Wonderland (the new one, you know)"

Quote from: Poltergeisty;1456550Seriously, that's the draw of his movies, nobody actually believe this is trying to be original, people will always view it as "Tim Burtons Alice in Wonderland" and not "Alice in Wonderland (the new one, you know)"

You know when remakes come out people always  scream "BETTR THAN TEH ORIGINEL!!!" even(especially) if they've never seen the source material in the first place. It will especially happen with Alice because little kids don't read.

Quote from: TremcladClock;1392969A fine example of a completely unnecessary film.

How can a film be necessary?

Quote from: Flux;1455912Crispin Glover even found his way into this. That doofy fuck hasn't done anything worth noting with a happy tone since Back to the Future.

fuck you you don't know shit about Glover

Quote from: Poltergeisty;1456550You guys are I'm a edgy teen if you thought he wouldn't overly goth-it up.

clearly you haven't seen Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, Big Fish or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

Quote from: Frenchy Kitty;1456815fuck you you don't know shit about Glover

I just don't care for him as a person at all, or overall as an actor. Of  course he has his good roles but overall I don't like him.

Quote from: Flux;1456817I just don't care for him as a person or an actor, at all.

the fuck you still stands

Quote from: Flux;1456518This has  absolutely nothing to do with American Mcgee.

Oh. I heard about the movie adaption for it a long time ago, with burton involved I was assuming this was that adaption.

Quote from: Flux;1456518That game was great

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This is all the more tragic because it had the potential to be the greatest movie ever if Tim Burton could stop jacking off to Johnny Depp in white makeup.

Like, a trippy movie in 3d what else do you need

Quote from: Frenchy Kitty;1456815Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

Was an abomination, I loved the original as a kid, and I have always love Gene Wilder. I liked the books too.

Quote from: Flux;1455912Crispin Glover even found his way into this. That doofy fuck hasn't done anything worth noting with a happy tone since Back to the Future.

What? How about Willard or Dead Man? What's Eating Gilbert Grape? Only Willard was a leading role, but all of those were great movies that he was great in.

Tim Burton should make Batman movies again, those were cool.

Quote from: ButtplugClock;1456934Was an abomination, I loved the original as a kid, and I have always love Gene Wilder. I liked the books too.

read my post. i never said it was good. i just said it wasn't gothy

I think Series of Unfortunate Events would have benifitted if Tim Burton had directed it.

Quote from: Not Blackmagic;1458001What? How about Willard or Dead Man? What's Eating Gilbert Grape? Only Willard was a leading role, but all of those were great movies that he was great in.

I'm biased. I can't discuss him.

Quote from: ButtplugClock;1456934Was an abomination, I loved the original as a kid, and I have always love Gene Wilder. I liked the books too.

Did you know that there is no law against liking both?

I still wont lay judgment on this movie until I actually see it. People always do that and then when it comes out it's sometimes good. I LOVE Alice in Wonderland, and it is, in fact, my favorite story(ies). Burton is my (one of) favorite director, so I still have faith.

I mean look at how people felt about The Dark Knight. A lot of people saw this:


And were instantly pissed off. Hell, even before this picture hit the net, they were just mad that it was Heath Ledger.

So, for me, the lesson was learned. I still think this might be a good movie. Hell, it couldn't be worse that the Disney version.

There is nothing wrong with the Disney version. >=|

I liked it when I was little, but now that I'm older, I really don't. I guess it's because I love the books so much and Disney ignored them when writing the movie. I like the Cheshire Cat in the Disney one, but the Mad Hatter made me sad.

Quote from: Cheshire Clock;1460858I liked it when I was little, but now that I'm older, I really don't. I guess it's because I love the books so much and Disney ignored them when writing the movie. I like the Cheshire Cat in the Disney one, but the Mad Hatter made me sad.

much like how the Johnny Depp Mad Hatter who was posted a few pages back is making me sad.
Really sad even.

Quote from: .cb;1456779How can a film be necessary?

That is easy.

watch some: Fellini, Bergman, Kurosawa, etc. (important film makers, who changed film)

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It was!

Quote from: TequilaClock;1466572It was!

SHAME

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