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http://gears.google.com/chrome/eula.html?hl=en

QuoteGoogle Chrome Terms of Service

These Terms of Service apply to the executable code version of Google Chrome. Source code for Google Chrome is available free of charge under open source software license agreements at http://code.google.com/chromium/terms.html.

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11. Content license from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.

11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.

11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.

11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license.

12. Software updates

12.1 The Software which you use may automatically download and install updates from time to time from Google. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the Services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new software modules and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Google to deliver these to you) as part of your use of the Services.

13. Ending your relationship with Google

13.1 The Terms will continue to apply until terminated by either you or Google as set out below.

13.2 If you want to terminate your legal agreement with Google, you may do so by (a) notifying Google at any time and (b) closing your accounts for all of the Services which you use, where Google has made this option available to you. Your notice should be sent, in writing, to Google’s address which is set out at the beginning of these Terms.

13.3 Google may at any time, terminate its legal agreement with you if:

(A) you have breached any provision of the Terms (or have acted in manner which clearly shows that you do not intend to, or are unable to comply with the provisions of the Terms); or

(B) Google is required to do so by law (for example, where the provision of the Services to you is, or becomes, unlawful); or

(C) the partner with whom Google offered the Services to you has terminated its relationship with Google or ceased to offer the Services to you; or

(D) Google is transitioning to no longer providing the Services to users in the country in which you are resident or from which you use the service; or

(E) the provision of the Services to you by Google is, in Google’s opinion, no longer commercially viable.

13.4 Nothing in this Section shall affect Google’s rights regarding provision of Services under Section 4 of the Terms.

13.5 When these Terms come to an end, all of the legal rights, obligations and liabilities that you and Google have benefited from, been subject to (or which have accrued over time whilst the Terms have been in force) or which are expressed to continue indefinitely, shall be unaffected by this cessation, and the provisions of paragraph 20.7 shall continue to apply to such rights, obligations and liabilities indefinitely.

In short, anything you add to the internet through Google Chrome, Google gets to use it how they want, even if you cancel your service. If you upload your music, Google can use it. If you upload pictures, Google can use it. If you upload your movies, Google can use it. Forever.

Well, damn.

I think I read somewhere that AOL has a right to use whatever you send over AIM for free without permission and all the junk as well.
I don't know if they have yet, but still.  Companies like to screw you.

That's not how other open-source programs are?

In other words, any activity on the internet, IS OURS NOW!

Holy shit.


Hahaha, ironically I went to uninstall it and it said "Are you sure you want to uninstall? (Was it something we said?)". I didn't get a screenshot.

Quote from: Losperman;1394535That's not how other open-source programs are?

No. Firefox only applies to the download-firefox.org website:

QuoteBy submitting content to any public or non-public area of the Web Site, including message boards, forums, contests and chat rooms, you grant Download-Firefox.org and its affiliates the loyalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, sublicense able (through multiple tiers), non-exclusive right (including any moral rights) and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, communicate to the public, perform and display the content (in whole or in part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed, for the full term of any rights that may exist in such content.

The "Web Site" is defined as download-firefox.org, not all connections to the internet through the use of Firefox.

http://download-firefox.org/terms-of-use/

Yeah, and Firefox doesn't have its own search engine that displays preview text taken from your website. You missed the sentence immediately after your bolded section, which is what sets the absolute limitations on what Google can use that info for, namely: "This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services (Google search, sharing Google documents / spreadsheets / RSS feeds with your friends, screenshot preview of your website if someone puts it in their speed dial, etc.) and may be revoked (revoked for Google, since it's the license that's being revoked, therefore this part doesn't apply to you) for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services."

If they've overstepped the 'sole purpose' outlined above, they've breached their own contract, and you could pursue a class action lawsuit.

It's no more shady than most legal documents. I've seen very similar clauses in contracts I've signed to win prizes and in developer/publisher/distributor  agreement contracts that my company's legal department approved to be signed.

Do you really think Google is releasing this browser so they can steal your shit and sell it on like Amazon, without your permission? No, they're going to make a truckload out of not having to pay Firefox and IE millions for being sent searches for the search box affiliation anymore and the increased adoption rate of their services over their competitors since those apps run so much faster with their new infrastructure, which has a ton of their contextual text ads built in, their real cash cow. That's their business plan. Stealing shit from you is a way to really quickly lose all their customers.

"Don't be evil" must still be holding water... I hope. :p

It's a conspiracy and Sage is on their side! They must be paying him cheetos or something, GET HIM!

Quote from: SageClock;1394694Yeah, and Firefox doesn't have its own search engine that displays preview text taken from your website. You missed the sentence immediately after your bolded section, which is what sets the absolute limitations on what Google can use that info for, namely: "This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services (Google search, sharing Google documents / spreadsheets / RSS feeds with your friends, screenshot preview of your website if someone puts it in their speed dial, etc.) and may be revoked (revoked for Google, since it's the license that's being revoked, therefore this part doesn't apply to you) for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services."

If they've overstepped the 'sole purpose' outlined above, they've breached their own contract, and you could pursue a class action lawsuit.

It's no more shady than most legal documents. I've seen very similar clauses in contracts I've signed to win prizes and in developer/publisher/distributor  agreement contracts that my company's legal department approved to be signed.

Do you really think Google is releasing this browser so they can steal your shit and sell it on like Amazon, without your permission? No, they're going to make a truckload out of not having to pay Firefox and IE millions for being sent searches for the search box affiliation anymore and the increased adoption rate of their services over their competitors since those apps run so much faster with their new infrastructure, which has a ton of their contextual text ads built in, their real cash cow. That's their business plan. Stealing shit from you is a way to really quickly lose all their customers.

I'm not saying that they can sell it, they just don't have to pay for it. So if you made music and uploaded through a Chrome browser, they can use it basically in anyway they want (aside from selling it). So if you're trying to sell a program or music or anything else, if you upload it through a Chrome browser, Google can use and distribute it freely without paying you.

I did the previous research alone, but the concern is also listed on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome#License_agreement

If knowledge is power, then google will one day be supreme emperor of the world!

(btw I did read sage's post, I am juss sayin!)
((still though I think that having unlimited ability to catalogue and reference all  data that you input is a bit... uh... fucking crazy??))

Hopefully they'll drop these when Chrome goes out of beta (like Gmail :p) and becomes a real browser.

Though this reminds me of a passage in the iTunes user agreement:

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Crap, now what am I going to use to design my nuclear weapons. Windows Media Player? Puh-leeze.

Going to bed before Sage gives his usual boring ass bible-sized reply. Cya.

Quote from: lazydoctor;1394711Going to bed before Sage gives his usual boring ass bible-sized reply. Cya.

Every word he types will be a nugget of wisdom that you will miss out on!


...so there! :grumpy:

This shit just got real.

Quote from: TropicanaClock;1394723This shit just got real.

Probably best post so far.

Quote from: SnakeClock;1394710Hopefully they'll drop these when Chrome goes out of beta (like Gmail :p) and becomes a real browser.

Though this reminds me of a passage in the iTunes user agreement:



Crap, now what am I going to use to design my nuclear weapons. Windows Media Player? Puh-leeze.

Yeah, Windows Media Player has terrible Nuclear Missile Style Sheets support.

The problem with this is not that they'll necessarily steal your stuff, but it's the same problem with AOL, which is that it implies that they have the ability to actually monitor your activities, and like AOL does for AIM, give police permission if requested to review your activity. They are legally allowed to let the police browse through your chat transcripts/web logs because you're transferring those rights to them, making it no longer your property.

so I downloaded this and man is it super fast. provided the stuff on the page is already in your cache it's great. even without that it's still faster that firefox for me.

I will examine further

Still using it, Google owns my soul already anyway

I read the EULA, and there's nothing like what RomanClock posted, so I assume they changed it...

Never installed it never will

Quote from: SockPuppetClock;1394828I read the EULA, and there's nothing like what RomanClock posted, so I assume they changed it...

No, it's still there. Read section 11.

But Google Docs has the same EULA there, and I've got most of my novels on there. Maybe I should relocate them... :concerned:

This same convo is going on at Reddit right now, and it's being similarly rebutted (with plenty of upvotes from people who agree):

http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/6zefy/is_this_really_part_of_chrome_if_so_im_sticking/c05a2wc

Just so you know I'm not the only one making such an assertion.

Personally, I'd rather it not be there either, but I've gotten to know how crazy legal departments can get about covering their asses for everything that I know it's just a pipe dream. (no, the registered trademark in the logo has to be this color, and this size, and this far away from the logo in this circumstance, and differently for this other circumstance, etc etc....I've had to rework so many trailers and marketing assets sooo many times from the incredibly strict demands from different companies' legal departments, and I hate it).

But again, what they can do is explicitly limited in the agreement anyway, so I'm not too worried.

Quote from: SnakeClock;1394862No, it's still there. Read section 11.

Oh... I read the wrong section. :o

firefox is good enough no need for me to change screw google motehrfuckers

Quote from: astronautt;1395179firefox is good enough no need for me to change screw google motehrfuckers

:army:

whats with all the google hate in this thread

fuck all of you little shits google has never disappointed me before

Quote from: ToyotaClock;1395190whats with all the google hate in this thread

fuck all of you little shits google has never disappointed me before

It's cool to hate Google 'cuz it's the "big" thing. :ohdear:

Though this license agreement is worth debate.

Google isn't a bad company, I'm just talking about these Terms and how they are bleh.

Quote from: RomanClock;1395194Google isn't a bad company, I'm just talking about these Terms and how they are bleh.

i am satisfied with sage's explanation

Quote from: ToyotaClock;1395197i am satisfied with sage's explanation

A lot of companies have EULAs like that where you agree that all content submitted to it can be used by the company for certain things, strangely enough. Now it's suddenly sinister when Google has it? :p

Quote from: SnakeClock;1395202A lot of companies have EULAs like that where you agree that all content submitted to it can be used by the company for certain things, strangely enough. Now it's suddenly sinister when Google has it? :p

They are similar, but with Google its any time you use the service, not under specific conditions.

Quote from: RomanClock;1395207They are similar, but with Google its any time you use the service, not under specific conditions.

Just because you didn't highlight them doesn't mean they're not specific conditions.

google is so googlish

Quote from: SnakeClock;1395217Just because you didn't highlight them doesn't mean they're not specific conditions.

I don't know what you mean, but in the Firefox Terms its restricted only to download-firefox.org and not ANY time you use Firefox. Where as with Google, you only have to use the browser, not a specific site or specific tools.
The specific conditions listed in this agreement is use of the Services which is defined as Google’s products, software, services and web sites. So if you use Google Chrome, EVERYTHING you do with it can be distributed by Google.

Quote from: RomanClock;1395236I don't know what you mean, but in the Firefox Terms its restricted only to download-firefox.org and not ANY time you use Firefox. Where as with Google, you only have to use the browser, not a specific site or specific tools.
The specific conditions listed in this agreement is use of the Services which is defined as Google’s products, software, services and web sites. So if you use Google Chrome, EVERYTHING you do with it can be distributed by Google.

let me ask you something???

do you have something against sage

Quote from: ToyotaClock;1395527let me ask you something???

do you have something against sage

Sage is coo :cool:

Google wants to own the internet, so everything will be their content legally, and you can charge people for content you legally own!

And now time for a Lord of the Rings reference

But they were all of them,deceived ; for another browser was forged.
And in the fires of Google's offices the dark lord SATAN forged in secret a master browser to control EVERYTHING. One by one the n00by internet users failed to read the fine print and sold their souls to Google.

But there were some, who resisted.
     
A last alliance of artists and programmers, put Google through a massive shitstorm and stabbed their orcs.

But they got pwnz'd and so now the internet is FUCKED.

Would someone check if Chrome passes Acid 2.0 for me?

Quote from: loki_clock;1395706Would someone check if Chrome passes Acid 2.0 for me?

Perfectly, I wasn't expecting it to

Thanks. Intriguing... I might consider switching if it's actually faster than Safari... Not now, obviously, as they don't have a Mac version available.

Quote from: loki_clock;1395757Thanks. Intriguing... I might consider switching if it's actually faster than Safari... Not now, obviously, as they don't have a Mac version available.

They'll probably have a Linux version before that. No Mac love for you.

This article should alleviate all worries:

Google on EULA Controversy: Our Bad, We'll Change It (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080903-google-on-chrome-eula-controversy-our-bad-well-change-it.html)

Quote from: SageClock;1395807This article should alleviate all worries:

Google on EULA Controversy: Our Bad, We'll Change It

lol I didn't know Googles had this problem before, they should have known better :)

IDIOTS.

Quote from: loki_clock;1395757Thanks. Intriguing... I might consider switching if it's actually faster than Safari... Not now, obviously, as they don't have a Mac version available.

I signed up for the e-mail alert. :D