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Arts & Leisure => Pokemon Stadium => Reading and Writing => Topic farted by: Slurpee on February 21, 2009, 04:21:23 AM

Title: could the "-er" in "widower" be termed a masculine diminutive?
Post by: Slurpee on February 21, 2009, 04:21:23 AM
being that it doesn't mean "one who makes others a widow" (that would be "widow-maker" (aka my dick))

also, is it unique in this regard, or are there any other instances of the "-er" suffix being used in this manner? or, really, as anything other than an agent suffix?
I thought "spider", but it happens that, etymologically speaking, that's from a proto-germanic agent noun meaning "one who spins", so it doesn't really count.
Title: could the "-er" in "widower" be termed a masculine diminutive?
Post by: The Spoiler on February 21, 2009, 07:01:16 PM
In Latin, -er is a suffix for male-gendered nouns. According to Wiktionary, "widower" comes from Old English, so the -er might have come from medieval Latin-speakers. I don't know where -er is an actual English suffix (for gender), or if it's only used in a few loanwords / leftovers from the past, though.
Title: could the "-er" in "widower" be termed a masculine diminutive?
Post by: Loki Clock on February 23, 2009, 03:56:53 PM
It's not diminutive, though you could say the r is used to make it masculine. It's not a suffix, either, it's an alternation, a strong augmentation of the original word form not a weak appendix. It's from Middle English widewer, and at the time it would probably have been more likely for the -er suffix to be spelled -ere. So they're unrelated.
Title: could the "-er" in "widower" be termed a masculine diminutive?
Post by: Slurpee on February 24, 2009, 09:31:52 PM
that's all I needed, thanks folks.