I think there are popular people who are popular because they're good at being a friend. I certainly also got shit on by "popular" kids in grade school. I have also met unpopular people who turned out to be unpopular for good reason, but I can't say that being betrayed or talked about by unpopular kids was a recurring problem for me. (I think there is a species of kid who gets rejected by "normies" and styles themselves in opposition to them, but is actually still super image-conscious and guilty of the same competitive king-of-the-hill behavior that hurt them in the first place. I'm not sure I've ever been friends with any. honestly this is probably what underlies my tendency to assume the worst about "alt fashion" enjoyers.) I think being cynical and bitter, generally, is hardly out of line for people who haven't had an easy time finding people to get along with. That can happen even to people who aren't "kind of a dick."
the particular "weirdos" I was thinking of when I wrote the bit you quoted were the founders of the Church of the SubGenius ("stiflingly conservative rural environment" = 1970s Dallas/Fort Worth), or Gary Wilson (New York, but not the densely populated part)... and the kind of "weird" I was thinking of was, like, "would have wanted to talk about Frank Zappa or Captain Beefheart." not even super esoteric and mystifying, necessarily, but if you're somewhere where there aren't a lot of people to talk to about the thing, and there's no "online," finding anyone you can even kind of talk to about the thing is a big deal. also, if you're surrounded (as the SubGenius guys were) by extreme Bible thumpers, and people with lots of money and no humility, and it's kinda horrifying, you gotta laugh to keep from crying...
i'll come back to this maybe but posting is the last thing i need to be doing right now
the particular "weirdos" I was thinking of when I wrote the bit you quoted were the founders of the Church of the SubGenius ("stiflingly conservative rural environment" = 1970s Dallas/Fort Worth), or Gary Wilson (New York, but not the densely populated part)... and the kind of "weird" I was thinking of was, like, "would have wanted to talk about Frank Zappa or Captain Beefheart." not even super esoteric and mystifying, necessarily, but if you're somewhere where there aren't a lot of people to talk to about the thing, and there's no "online," finding anyone you can even kind of talk to about the thing is a big deal. also, if you're surrounded (as the SubGenius guys were) by extreme Bible thumpers, and people with lots of money and no humility, and it's kinda horrifying, you gotta laugh to keep from crying...
i'll come back to this maybe but posting is the last thing i need to be doing right now