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This is why I cannot take femminism seriously.

Farted by LandlineClock, October 18, 2011, 10:02:40 PM

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Society has a lot of double standards we haven't worked out yet, it's a logical conclusion to the great strides western societies have made towards equal treatment of men and women, which happened in a hundred years or less.

There's double standards we're all guilty of, I think Cracked wrote an article on this: it's okay for women to wear men's clothes, but not the other way around. Nobody thinks this is weird, everybody thinks this.

I do think it's bizarre that anyone would find mutilation and torture funny, but sharon osbourne is a stupid cunt that's just as likely to laugh when she sees someone with a mental handicap make a faceplant. The image of a dick flopping around in a garbage disposal is somewhat funny, but anyone around the 100 IQ point mark realises the horrible implications of that image.

Quote from: AbsintheClock;1869344Any valid points this guy has is cancelled out by the fact he's kinda an angry loudmouth.

Yeah this kind of feels like watching Bizarro Glenn Beck.

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I kinda agree with this guy, the whole thing's pretty one sided. Feminists campaign for equality but that's not how it's going.

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Quote from: MentosClock;1869334Just watched the whole thing. For the first minute, everything this guy said was true. And then he suddenly turned into an idiot. He started off by saying things that any rational person would agree with, to get his audience on his side, and then his comments started being completely baseless. By this point, his audience was used to agreeing with whatever he said, so they just keep agreeing with him even though he stops using any sort of logic about halfway through. We get to the end of the video, he knows that he has the audience in his grasp, so he just ends it with an advertisement for this book. Presumably, his book is just as nonsensical as he is, but his brainwashed fans will go ahead and buy it anyway.

Here is his argument:
Premise 1: Women are laughing at the idea of castration
Premise 2: Women can get away with murder by claiming that they have been abused.
Conclusion: Feminism is bullshit.

Do you see the problem here? His argument is invalid. The premises to not prove the conclusion. Yes, some women are heartless bitches, but that in no way invalidates all of feminism. Believe it or not, feminism is very important. Women have been subjugated by men for thousands of years, and it is only in the last hundred years that they have started to be treated somewhat as equals. Unfortunately, change happens slowly, and society is still patriarchal to an extent. Without feminists, there is no way this is going to change any time soon. Too denounce all of feminism because there are stupid women who do stupid things is ridiculous. After all, men can be pretty stupid too.
Now that I have shown that his argument is invalid, I have no reason to attack his premises. But I'm going to anyway, because his premises are bullshit too. Yes, those women were laughing at castration. But that does not mean that they were advocating it. At 5:08 he shows a clip where the woman actually admits that they are being sexist, but then they just laugh it off. I think this shows that they aren't taking this very seriously. Which is perfectly fine: lots of people have a morbid sense of humour. I remember the Clock Crew making jokes about a woman who microwaved her baby. Does that mean that the Clock Crew advocates such a thing? No, it simply means that many members of the Clock Crew have a morbid and juvenile sense of humour. Anyone who has been on the internet should realize that this is not uncommon.
As for Premise 2, well that one actually makes more sense. I agree that, legally, that is unfortunate. I happen to consider this a 'necessary evil' of feminism. For a while, women will be able to get away with insane stuff. But perfect equality is something that is hard to reach, so it should be expected that women will have the advantage over men in some situations, while men will continue to have the advantage over women in other situations, until in about a hundred years or so everything slowly balances itself out.
At one point, the guy makes a comment along the lines of "hey, I bet if we mutilated a woman, we wouldn't be allowed to call it empowering. How unfair is that?" Well, I don't see why he thinks men need empowering. Men have dominated women for thousands of years. I think we have had more than our fair share of empowerment. Why isn't he willing to let women experience a bit of that for once?

Sorry for the rant, but this youtube guy is so stupid, and there are so many people who agree with him, it just makes me a little worried. Look at the amount of 'likes' and the amount of 'dislikes'. The fact that so many people actually agree with this guy, when he is so wrong, it is just kind of depressing a bit.

Quoting this whole this because it;s the best post and you all need to not skip it just because it's long

The fact is feminism isn't about men vs women. Feminism, despite it's name, doesn't actually mean "in favour of women" or anything like that, but rather it means equality for all, with a focus on gender issues.

Gender issues, I think, boil down to the societal pressures forced upon us based on our gender. Now don't get me wrong, as society has progressed both men and women have gained a lot more freedom to go against any society pressure they may feel.

However, in society currently if you neglect these pressures you are relegated to the fringe of society, where you aren't considered a mainstream, worthy part of humanity.

The reason I care much more about womens issues than mens is because of the actual scale of what society feels women should do or be.

Men pressures include not being allowed to wear womens clothing, not being allowed to hit women, not being allowed to dislike sport, not being allowed to basically be un-masculine in any way, including things like crying, or caring too much, or anything you see enforced in crappy male stereotypes in films.

Now I disagree with all of these being taken for granted, but when womens pressures include such life changing decisions, as being shunned if you don't want to have children, or don't want to get married, or who's aim in life isn't simply to cook or clean or please one's man, forgive me if the pressures men receive don't seem as urgent.

To clarify, I understand that there are many people who are happy to go against these pressures, which may lead you to think we have more equality, but the fact is even though people have the power to do so, they are seen as less a part of society when they do. For a lot of people, especially on a personal level where gender disagreements may arise between friends and family, causing emotional detachment and shunning, you have an issue that can be a serious problem in peoples lives, and largely women more than men

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