For what is liberty but the unhampered translation of will into act?

DWARFINATORclock · February 16, 2009, 09:43:41 PM

Well?

Maltese · February 16, 2009, 09:44:17 PM

belongs in the debate forum

RomanClock · February 16, 2009, 09:45:32 PM

DWARFINATORclock · February 16, 2009, 09:46:02 PM

Quote from: Maltese;1523077belongs in the debate forum

No it doesn't.

Maltese · February 16, 2009, 09:50:34 PM

Quote from: ABSIHTNECLOCK;1523080No it doesn't.

this is a philosophical concept of liberty, it belongs in the forum where philosophy belongs

aka the forum where I shit on everything then masturbate on that, then force christians to eat it

Safe___Clock · February 16, 2009, 09:50:54 PM

DWARFINATORclock · February 16, 2009, 09:52:11 PM

America is the land of wide lawns and narrow minds.

RabidClock · February 16, 2009, 09:56:10 PM

CubeMelonClock · February 16, 2009, 11:17:54 PM

I think this thread is well placed in general.

SnakeClock · February 16, 2009, 11:19:10 PM

I believe the unhampered translation of will into act is freedom, not liberty. Liberty is just being able to do that.

CubeMelonClock · February 16, 2009, 11:25:18 PM

I believe that we should will to act toward love.

AlbinoClock · February 17, 2009, 09:29:58 AM

Unhampered? Unhampered by what? By others, sure, but your own resources and body can hamper your will as well as external sources.

For example, say I want to go to space. My liberty to do this is hindered by several factors. To begin with, I do not possess the resources or physical prowess to break the gravity well, breathe in space, or create equipment that allows me to do these things. There are a few organizations on the planet that possess such technology, but without major sacrifices on my part and years of training they probably won't let me use their things. Without initiative to either design the equipment, hire someone else to do it, or suck up to NASA, it won't happen. However, if I made the proper sacrifices by the end no one would stand in my way.

On the other hand, let's say I want to smoke some pot. This is something that is quite easy to accomplish physically that my society tells me I am not allowed to do. They go so far as to attempt to dismantle the entire infrastructure that brings my pot to me, but, given the desires of the people, utterly fail at it. Their attempts to hinder, horrific is they may be, are ineffective against the determined individual.

Freedom, liberty, lack of effective hindrance, comes from within. External sources can only control through fear and manipulation, which, in the end, you have to agree to be controlled by. Short of physical law, no matter what happens, it's pretty much up to you.

DWARFINATORclock · February 17, 2009, 09:35:37 AM

Quote from: Snake Clock;1523264I believe the unhampered translation of will into act is freedom, not liberty. Liberty is just being able to do that.

http://www.tfd.com/liberty

http://www.tfd.com/freedom

Poltergeist · February 17, 2009, 09:59:32 AM

Oh Bartleby, oh humanity

FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK · February 17, 2009, 12:12:43 PM

Quote from: ABSIHTNECLOCK;1523091America is the land of wide lawns and narrow minds.

Dwarfinator I am highly offended by your comment on America! My lawn is tiny.

DWARFINATORclock · February 17, 2009, 01:03:10 PM

PowerGloveClock · February 17, 2009, 01:29:12 PM

alas poop

Poltergeist · February 17, 2009, 01:31:16 PM

The grass ia always greener on the other side

Silly Putty Clock · February 17, 2009, 10:39:16 PM

knives don't have your back

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For what is liberty but the unhampered translation of will into act?