Would you redo these vocals

[F U Clock]

I just wrapped up my album and am waiting for it to be mastered. This song ended up on the cutting room floor, but I might use it in our next record. Question is what needs to be redone. I know the bits with electric guitar need to be redone (peaky and hurts the ears) but I'm curious what people think of the vocals. I tend to sing in our songs fairly whispered, but with this one I let a lot more emotion fly, which I like. However I sacrifice a good bit of control over my vox when I emote a bit and I hate thinking I'm off in places. What's you's all's thinks?

Again, apologies for the ear-splitting electric.

http://www.mattchathamdesign.com/02%20Gout.mp3

[buttplug]

Sounds good to me, man

[AC Slater]

For the most part it sounds pretty good, although there are some parts that sound a bit off-key to me. Also (I'm sure this will be fixed when it's all mastered) all of the other instruments seem to drown your voice and make it harder to hear. You should be louder than them.

[F U Clock]

For the most part it sounds pretty good, although there are some parts that sound a bit off-key to me. Also (I'm sure this will be fixed when it's all mastered) all of the other instruments seem to drown your voice and make it harder to hear. You should be louder than them.

That's about what I feared. Though I'm surprised you think they're too low in the mix - this is why I need extra ears on things.

[AC Slater]

That's about what I feared. Though I'm surprised you think they're too low in the mix - this is why I need extra ears on things.

It could just be my speakers, but I'll give it another listen through my headphones for you.

[F U Clock]

It could just be my speakers, but I'll give it another listen through my headphones for you.

Well I mean to say you're probably right. I'm too familiar with shit and it's good to have fresh ears on things to point out flaws.

[Loki Clock]

Drumming's not very tight.

[F U Clock]

Drumming's not very tight.

Do you mean the sound of the recording or how well they are played?

If you mean the recording, sadly that's about as good as it'll get with my equipment. I may be able to mix them more dynamically which could pop more, but until I get a way to record the snare and kick on separate tracks from toms and cymbals, I have to do all the drum mixing whilst recording. Which is rough.

[Loki Clock]

Do you mean the sound of the recording or how well they are played?

If you mean the recording, sadly that's about as good as it'll get with my equipment. I may be able to mix them more dynamically which could pop more, but until I get a way to record the snare and kick on separate tracks from toms and cymbals, I have to do all the drum mixing whilst recording. Which is rough.

No, recording's fine. It's a specific quality of tightness I mean, not just goodness in general. The hits need to be on and off right away. Like a viper strike. Two motions during one beat.

I might be hearing it wrong, but it doesn't sound like the drummer's doing that to me.

[F U Clock]

No, recording's fine. It's a specific quality of tightness I mean, not just goodness in general. The hits need to be on and off right away. Like a viper strike. Two motions during one beat.

I might be hearing it wrong, but it doesn't sound like the drummer's doing that to me.

So I take it you mean they're not always on rhythm. Like... At the very end of the first chorus I've always thought the two snare hits come in a bit late (on the 'ing' of 'God is watching'). The horrible truth is that... I'M the drummer!

I might be able to clean it up via digital magic. Re-recording drums after doing the rest of the parts is usually a fucking nightmare.

[Loki Clock]

So I take it you mean they're not always on rhythm. Like... At the very end of the first chorus I've always thought the two snare hits come in a bit late (on the 'ing' of 'God is watching'). The horrible truth is that... I'M the drummer!

I might be able to clean it up via digital magic. Re-recording drums after doing the rest of the parts is usually a fucking nightmare.

Well yeah pretty much. But that can be a side-effect of the mechanics, so I was hoping it would go away if the playing style improved. If you do re-record the drums, you might consider tweaking the tuning first or using only the bass and snare. Something to enrich the frequency content of the recording.

[F U Clock]

Well yeah pretty much. But that can be a side-effect of the mechanics, so I was hoping it would go away if the playing style improved. If you do re-record the drums, you might consider tweaking the tuning first or using only the bass and snare. Something to enrich the frequency content of the recording.

Do you mean recording only snare and bass? If I had my druthers I'd be able to, all at once, record all drum pieces separately. I maaay be able to get all the cymbals and toms on one track, and the snare and bass on their own separate tracks, but I won't be able to tell until I get back into the studio.

[Loki Clock]

Do you mean recording only snare and bass? If I had my druthers I'd be able to, all at once, record all drum pieces separately. I maaay be able to get all the cymbals and toms on one track, and the snare and bass on their own separate tracks, but I won't be able to tell until I get back into the studio.

No, only playing those two, distributing what you're playing now over them. You can record them at the same time, but it's a matter of having groups of sound at different tone ranges. It's balanced towards the high end now, with the singing and the cymbal. The bass drum will counterbalance it, and snares have strong higher harmonics, so it will emphasize the top of the range with its illusion of high-pitchedness.

It's a theory. I think it's worth a shot.

[F U Clock]

No, only playing those two, distributing what you're playing now over them. You can record them at the same time, but it's a matter of having groups of sound at different tone ranges. It's balanced towards the high end now, with the singing and the cymbal. The bass drum will counterbalance it, and snares have strong higher harmonics, so it will emphasize the top of the range with its illusion of high-pitchedness.

It's a theory. I think it's worth a shot.

I'm not unhappy with them enough to go to all that work lol. I have in the past done a kick drum recording all by itself to overlay a regular drum track that was quite lacking in low-end. But I don't think I even ended up using it... The fact that I still believe in recording actual drums over MIDI is a miracle at this point.