Graffiti

[Thor]

So wait this is about race now? I was envisioning a a lazy drug abusing wangster; ie a typical graffiti "artist".


also nice ad hominem. I raise you an "appeal to authority" by pointing it out. This thread is a buffet of fallaciousness. Better than the clock crew's typical buffet of fellatio, at least.

[F U Clock]

So wait this is about race now? I was envisioning a a lazy drug abusing wangster; ie a typical graffiti "artist".


also nice ad hominem. I raise you an "appeal to authority" by pointing it out. This thread is a buffet of fallaciousness. Better than the clock crew's typical buffet of fellatio, at least.

Looks like SOMEBODY took philosophy 101!

I've been playing a Black Panther graffiti artist character my last few posts. His name is Luther.

You seem to think that all private property is owned by wealthy entrepreneurs who worked hard for it. You'd be surprised how many rich douchebags there are whose daddies got them jobs right out of Yale (which they got into because they were rich and legacy) and then gave them their company after their heart got too weak from eating fatback three times a week for thirty years. One of my roommates in College didn't know the Sun was a star. He took 6 years to get his bachelor's. He's now working as a financial advisor in a major national bank because his daddy runs the joint.

Meanwhile Chuck down the street who was raised in a low-income family of people who never went to College and never could go to College himself (and never believed he could because he's been told by those around him and society at large from day 1 that he'd never amount to anything) decides he wants to make something of himself, so he goes and gets a job. Of course the only job he can get is in the local steel factory. It sucks but he gets by. Until they replace him with a machine/outsource his job/whatever. He looks to the skyline and sees the corporate office of the company that owns the factory, and thinks about the fatcat running it who only got the job because his parents played golf together. He goes to that building and he paints a big dick on the side of it. Because seriously, FUCK those guys.

The next day they paint over it.

Chuck gets hit by a car and dies.

ThorClock laughs, stroking his beard.

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

Its their own fault for being poor. Me and Thor can't help that we're smarter than black people.

[Thor]

That hypothetical kid wasn't very smart if he couldn't figure out how to get low income loans to go to college. In America, especially if you're black, there are an obscenely large amount of ways to get PAID to go to college so long as you do decently in school. If he had gone out and gotten a reasonable degree he could have gotten a job, instead of being a dick to somebody who was luckier than him. Just because somebody is successful is no reason for them to be punished. I'm going to stop here before I start quoting Ayn Rand.

 Also he should have looked both ways before he crossed the road.

Its their own fault for being poor. Me and Thor can't help that we're smarter than black people.

[AMPEEEM]

"Damn the man! I'll show the government for making me too lazy to work by defacing the private property of an entrepreneur!" says the jobless man holding his welfare check at the food bank that he got to on the city bus on state funded highways. He then returns to his state funded low rent apartments to contemplate what style he should write his own name in on a random store.

Truly this is a tale of a heroic champion of independence.


[/strawman]

Trust me, Thor, if you know the lives and stories of the people who developed graffiti in the 70's and 80's into the art form that it is today, you'd probably be a bit more understanding, not to mention the way street art effects third-world countries. This doesn't just apply to America and the U.K.

[Topcatyo]

pff, fuck college.  the way i see it, nowadays, college is nothing but a way to pay a bunch of money to be a kid a little bit longer before going out into the world and not getting a job.

[SpongeClock SquarePants]

jeez clockcrew sometime u are really DUMB

[AMPEEEM]

dont make me bust out the winter of your discontent on yo assssssssssssssssssssssssss sponge bitch

[SpongeClock SquarePants]

no

[AMPEEEM]

HERE IT COMES


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thats a fart on your brain directly inside your skull now...YOUR A FRAT BOY

[Thor]

Can somebody post a SINGLE valid reason for Graffiti other than just being a complete asshole to spite "the man"? All I've heard so far in support of graffiti is "if you only knew why they did it!" or "wow you are dumb!". That isn't how you argue a point people. How about TELLING me the stories of the people who developed graffiti in the 70's and 80's right here in this thread unstead of offhandedly mentioning it in a way that's impossible to refute?

[F U Clock]

Can somebody post a SINGLE valid reason for Graffiti other than just being a complete asshole to spite "the man"? All I've heard so far in support of graffiti is "if you only knew why they did it!" or "wow you are dumb!". That isn't how you argue a point people. How about TELLING me the stories of the people who developed graffiti in the 70's and 80's right here in this thread unstead of offhandedly mentioning it in a way that's impossible to refute?

The better question is, why NOT do graffiti, maaan!?

No but in all seriousness, you're asking for justification of an art form which is huge, varied, global, and has no singular purpose. Graffiti is used by gangs to mark territory in turf wars. It's used by some as a form of advertising protest. It's used by some to create an anonymous memorial. Some people make street art that people generally like. Some people use it to say, I'm an anarchist, fuck you.

Now, I'll say I visited a cemetary recently and saw graffiti on the mausoleums and THAT I find pretty inexcusable. There's no reason I can conceive of to deface someone's burial site... unless that person was a Nazi that killed your family maybe...

[Topcatyo]

I'd say for graffiti what I would do with any art form, be it music or otherwise.

There are those who are talented and do good things with the art form they are skilled in.  However, you have the other 99% who see it and are like "I WNAT TO DO THAT TOO" and give those with talent a bad name.

As for justification for graffiti, I can't really justify it for you other than saying that I've seen many instances of people doing good graffiti.  I saw this part of a PBS doc about some graffiti artists (in the doc they were opening their own art gallery somewhere) where they talked about the works they do, and it showed the many beautiful and creative works these people had done to otherwise ugly places.

In it, the one artist said something that really stuck out for me.  He said (I'm paraphrasing here): "What's the difference between my works and billboards?  I cover things because I want them to look beautiful, billboards cover things to sell you shit you don't need."

While every graffiti artist doesn't have the same view as that guy, those who do I think in general have a general idea of how not to fuck up a city like the kind of person FU described who would trash a graveyard.

[Topcatyo]

In the end it's really up to you about whether you consider it a valid art form, be it illegal or not.

[SpongeClock SquarePants]

I consider killing jews an art form.
Killing jews should really be ok with everybody, including the jews themselves, this is true because i consider it art. why don't those fucking jews feel privileged when they get shot?

so holocaust denial is denial of my rights of arts and expression. if you dont like killing jews you dont know what art is.



this is how i read this thread

[F U Clock]

I consider killing jews an art form.
Killing jews should really be ok with everybody, including the jews themselves, this is true because i consider it art. why don't those fucking jews feel privileged when they get shot?

so holocaust denial is denial of my rights of arts and expression. if you dont like killing jews you dont know what art is.



this is how i read this thread

Having a building you own painted without your permission is pretty much the same as having someone murder you and everyone like you.

[Topcatyo]

I consider killing jews an art form.
Killing jews should really be ok with everybody, including the jews themselves, this is true because i consider it art. why don't those fucking jews feel privileged when they get shot?

so holocaust denial is denial of my rights of arts and expression. if you dont like killing jews you dont know what art is.



this is how i read this thread

GODWINNED

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

I consider killing jews a higher artform than graffiti.

[SpongeClock SquarePants]

GODWINNED

i put the win in godwin.
yes /thread plz

[Thor]

In what way is Graffiti any different than shitting on somebodies porch and calling it art, or burning down somebodies house and calling it art?

It's not different. It's just being a dick and using art as an excuse.

edit; Fuck i should have read spongeclocks reply before posting this, now I just sound redundant