Skyrim Game Jam

Thor · February 22, 2012, 08:21:32 PM

I think you're being a bit too strict on your definition of RPG games, propaganda. You just need to accept that there are GOOD rpgs and BAD rpgs. The defining characteristics in RPGs is that you control your character directly, you can make choices about character advancement that effect gameplay, and you can make choices that effect the narrative. Skyrim has all of these things. Joining the Stormcloaks or the Imperials effected the story, as did killing the Dark Brotherhood or letting them go. Of course these decisions should have been more often, but that just makes the game shitty. It's never going to be as good as a PnP rpg but it's still technically an RPG, just a bad one. Just look at the best of video game RPGS: games like Planescape Torment and Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines. Even in THOSE games there was a linear plot you had to progress through no matter what (although with branches and different endings), but they're still RPGs.

ProqagandaClock · February 23, 2012, 07:18:28 AM

Quote from: Thor;1896520I think you're being a bit too strict on your definition of RPG games, propaganda. You just need to accept that there are GOOD rpgs and BAD rpgs. The defining characteristics in RPGs is that you control your character directly, you can make choices about character advancement that effect gameplay, and you can make choices that effect the narrative. Skyrim has all of these things. Joining the Stormcloaks or the Imperials effected the story, as did killing the Dark Brotherhood or letting them go. Of course these decisions should have been more often, but that just makes the game shitty. It's never going to be as good as a PnP rpg but it's still technically an RPG, just a bad one. Just look at the best of video game RPGS: games like Planescape Torment and Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines. Even in THOSE games there was a linear plot you had to progress through no matter what (although with branches and different endings), but they're still RPGs.

As I said above, I'm not saying it is a bad game or that it does not have rpg elements, I'm just saying there isn't much roleplaying in that game apart from the things your imagination helps out with.
Yeah I have a choice to kill every person in the skyrim world, but I have no means to express why I am doing it other than wht I imagine, no one will comment and nobody will cares (standard gaurds or thugs don't count).

As said with the penn and paper things I do not fully agree but yes there is alot of truth in that, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't strive for as much roleplaying as possible at times; I know mainstream wouldn't enjoy it and thus it wouldn't actually be a good road for any developer to travel, but it'd make better games according to me, instead of going the path that Dragon Age has gone down.

Anyway this is a highly subjective matter and ofcourse we'll disagree on points, I just wish the mainstream wouldn't rape every game I enjoy

EDIT: On that note Skyrim should get a gold star for actually just being an improvement over its predecessor in most ways. Still less RPG than the last one according to me but that could be my nostalgia fooling me, most quests sucked in the old one but atleast in the Dark Brotherhood you had a understanding to why you would act like you did whereas in Skyrim it's just implausible you'd give two shits.

FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK · February 23, 2012, 07:35:13 AM

Quote from: Thor;1896411Naw man, the best RPG of 2011 was Hyperdimension Neptunia

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Yeah!

yes i am joking

oh christ I forgot about this game

Thor · February 23, 2012, 07:52:49 AM

Quote from: FloundermanClock;1896571oh christ I forgot about this game

There's a sequel coming out for it.

That means enough people bought the first one for it to be profitable.

Let that sink in for a minute

miracle fruit · February 23, 2012, 06:45:41 PM

Quote from: Topcatyo;1896378i don't see how you believing the same bullshit every video game director says before their next big game comes out makes it any less your fault for being gullible.

i don't see how thor clock can troll every thread in the gaming forum every day of every week without anybody catching on

Thor · February 23, 2012, 06:50:48 PM

Okay what? Nothing I've done in this thread can even be considered trolling. I really don't have any reason why Topcatyo is being a Todd Howard apologist and claiming it's my fault that he lied (???) but I sure as hell wasn't expecting that or fishing for such a response

AmberArachnidClock · February 23, 2012, 07:02:36 PM

Quote from: Thor;1896631Okay what? Nothing I've done in this thread can even be considered trolling. I really don't have any reason why Topcatyo is being a Todd Howard apologist and claiming it's my fault that he lied (???) but I sure as hell wasn't expecting that or fishing for such a response

I dunno, at a certain point you have your own responsibility not to fall into sales traps. All PR is lies (or at least stretches of the truth), Bethesda games are just easier to see the lies in because of their particular characteristics.

The PS3 version is kind of unforgivable, but I'm gonna buy Skyrim again for PC anyway.

FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK · February 23, 2012, 09:15:41 PM

I wouldnt say thor is trolling, he has a good point. But its standard practice. Remember when Sony said the ps2 would have toy story level graphics and ray tracing? Yeah that never happened. We still dont have anything that can do ray tracing well.

Quote from: Thor;1896572There's a sequel coming out for it.

That means enough people bought the first one for it to be profitable.

Let that sink in for a minute

I'm hoping its the japanese who bought enough of it to make a sequel, not the international market. They buy terrible stupid crap like that all the time. We've recently had an influx of stuff like that though, like that gradius girl game. Why are they translating it and releasing it here, who's buying it?

Thor · February 23, 2012, 10:32:18 PM

Quote from: FloundermanClock;1896659I'm hoping its the japanese who bought enough of it to make a sequel, not the international market. They buy terrible stupid crap like that all the time. We've recently had an influx of stuff like that though, like that gradius girl game. Why are they translating it and releasing it here, who's buying it?

It must be the international market if they're translating it to English (which they are).

I'm guessing the people buying it are the same kinds of people who watch My Little Pony and Lucky Star. Truly, these people are the worst humanity has to offer.

Well, second worst, after the clock crew

FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK · February 23, 2012, 11:49:03 PM

I watched all the "funniest clips" of lucky star a couple weeks ago. Out of like, 20+ videos all of them were awful but one which was only mildly amusing due to its use in several youtube poops I liked. It derives the majority of its humor from "wacky antics" and lots and lots of references to stuff. Its pretty much family guy for anime with less cynicism. HEY KONATA REMEMBER THAT TIME WE WATCHED INITIAL D WITH MUHAMMAD.

Topcatyo · February 24, 2012, 03:54:03 AM

Quote from: Thor;1896631Okay what? Nothing I've done in this thread can even be considered trolling. I really don't have any reason why Topcatyo is being a Todd Howard apologist and claiming it's my fault that he lied (???) but I sure as hell wasn't expecting that or fishing for such a response

Slow your roll, pilgrim :|

Quote from: Topcatyo;1896378i don't see how you believing the same bullshit every video game director says before their next big game comes out makes it any less your fault for being gullible.

That's not me saying it's your fault Todd Howard lied. That's me saying you should expect this out of every game developer by now because they all talk up a bunch of shit about their games and you getting angry/believing them is just being gullible and is like bitching about the sun rising.

Now you're gullible and a terrible reader? Not my fault.

PS I agree with you I wish Skyrim had more choices that you could make that would affect the plot on a large scale. However, I don't think that makes it a bad RPG, I still have a bunch of fun playing it (in the end that's what matters to me and it's ultimately a subjective thing), but their focus was shifted more towards an open, explorable world that you could muck around in doing whatever you wanted than it was doing the main quest.

Thor · February 27, 2012, 04:25:13 PM

It's too bad that Bethesda is trying to kill the only thing that keeps their games alive, free user made mods, by implementing the steam workshop

Topcatyo · February 27, 2012, 10:10:22 PM

Quote from: Thor;1897078It's too bad that Bethesda is trying to kill the only thing that keeps their games alive, free user made mods, by implementing the steam workshop

wut

Thor · February 27, 2012, 10:38:29 PM

Quote from: Topcatyo;1897115wut

Bethesda implemented steamworks into Skyrim. It's the same system that Team Fortress 2 uses to aggregate user made content.

Basically, the goal is to intercept mods that would otherwise be released free so that bethesda can instead release them as paid DLC (with commission to the creators). The fact that they get paid is a major incentive for mod creators to NOT release mods for free as was previously the standard.

On the other hand, it does give more of a reason for people to make good mods in the first place. And there will always be free mod sites for the loli hentai bondage rape mods

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