Gaza Strip

[AMPEEEM]

This might be a debate, and it might not. At the moment, I'm just curious if someone could maybe explain that situation in dumb version, because I'm still not sure I'm clear on the details, but from what I understand...

-Jewish people fled Europe during WW2, came to the Middle East in an area once known as Palestine. They set up shop, started making babies, give it twenty years down the road and you have Israel, the new Jewish state.
-But there were people living in Palestine, Palestinians, and they're not exactly happy about Israel taking up all their land, so they plan an attack against the borders of Israel, with a few other countries backing them, maybe Syria, I don't know.
- They completely fuck the war up, and now the Palestinians have even less land than they did before. They have two areas they can call Palestine, and it's split up into two areas, in the middle of them being the whole of Israel.
-On the left is an area called Gaza, its crammed in between Egypt and Israel. Obviously, Israel keeps them as war prisoners during their conflict with Palestine, and afterwards, they had no where to go, because they want to keep killing Israelis, or escape to Egypt, where they themselves would probably be killed, although who knows, now after the rebellion.
- There are lots of political cartoons calling Israel akin to Nazi Germany for the way they treat the Palestinians; they lock them up and execute them from time to time. For what reason they go in and decide to just start offing families is beyond me, but those things mostly happened in the 50's, since then Israel has actually agreed to give Palestine their land back, and be done with the whole thing, but the Palestinians have no plans to stop fighting. Everytime they are offered land, they respond with bombs, so we've reached an impasse.


Tell me what I got wrong, and I'm also confused about this and can't seem to find the info on the web:
- So, the Israelis just sailed on down to Palestine, set up shop, and called it their own? There was no war at this point, mind you, that wasn't until later. I'm just so confused; if Palestine truly was a nation before Israel, how could they just let all these newbs come in and take all their land and government away from them?

-Why did they only start fighting well after the fact that Israel was established, like years afterwards. It makes Palestine sound less like a country and more like Somalia, and that idea is cemented in my mind when I hear the stories of Palestinian disrespect for human life, and their habit of spitting on helping hands. It makes them sound like savages, and while I know that's not true and there's just as much information rallying against the Israelis or Egypt's treatment of these people, at this point it looks like everyone wants to free Palestine except Palestine.

[AMPEEEM]

Also who, or what, is Hammas?

[AstronautClock]

hammas hammas joden aan het gas. zo ging dat rijmpje

also take a look at this map

[Thor]

The history of Isreal is a history of Britain stealing land from Palestine and giving it to Jews for no apparent reason, other than that they asked for it.

Jews first started immigrating to Palestine in large numbers when Britain was ruler of the country starting in 1920. The British basically put a counsel of Jews in charge of Jewish immigration and gave them a ton of power. This really pissed off the native Palestinians but there wasn't jack shit they could do about it.

1939 to 1945, the events of World War II occurred. I'm pretty sure you know what happened to the Jews at that time.

Afterward, the British started worrying more about keeping a good relationship with the middle east so they could get oil, so they stopped importing fucktons of Jews all the time. However, the Jews kept trying to get in anyway illegally. The British empire started to arrest Jews trying to enter Palestine, but this prompted acts of terrorism by the Jews and the fuckers wouldn't stop doing it, so eventually they relented and let them start immigrating in again.

In 1947 the united nations suggested the creation of Isreal to Britain. It was not done.

The Jews themselves took to arms at this time and started a campaign of conquest in Palestine, taking over large areas of land with militias. The Arabs were not willing to let their people live in areas controlled by Jews, so they assisted in extracting all arabs from the areas, making them purely Jewish land.

In 1948 the British finally gave up on the clusterfuck of violent, xenophobic, fanatical retards known as the Middle East and the Jews declared themselves an independent state.

Then Isreal went to war with pretty much every country in the middle east simultaniously.

And that's the history of the creation of isreal

[AMPEEEM]

Translation:Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas. this went on rhyme


Also I've seen that map, but the question remains, from 1946 to 1947, how did the Palestinians let that happen? To my knowledge they waged no war to earn that land, they just kinda took it, like it wasn't even really Palestine's. At least to my knolwedge.

[Marlin Clock]

Then pretty much every country in the middle east simultaneously went to war with Israel and thanks to US weapons Israel kicked their collective asses every single time they tried.

And that's the history of the creation of isreal

Fixed.
Rest of it's pretty accurate, though. If it weren't for UN sanctions and stuff Israel would probably still own the Sinai and the Golan Heights.

[Thor]

Translation:Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas. this went on rhyme


Also I've seen that map, but the question remains, from 1946 to 1947, how did the Palestinians let that happen? To my knowledge they waged to war to earn that land, they just kinda took it, like it wasn't even really Palestine's. At least to my knolwedge.

The Jews got guns and shot the people that were there. Then when everybody was dead or ran away they took it.

[AMPEEEM]

Well jesus

[buttplug]

There actually were communities of Jews who settled in Palestine before WW2.

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

something something zionist shadow government something something all hail lord jewnicron

[AbsintheClock]

It is the hummus that binds them.

[pop-tart]

My gf used to go with the Gaza strip but now has the full Brazilian.

[AMPEEEM]

You two are some funny infidels i tell ya what

[AstronautClock]

Goyims

[AstronautClock]

thats pretty neat clam I didnt know about that

[AMPEEEM]

Man, 1st world jews and 3rd world jews, they're nothing alike.

[Thor]

here is a map of israel in 926 BC. note the size of the two jewish kingdoms. also note that lil white area called philistie (palestine)

That was 3000 years ago.

It's completely irrelevant. To the point that it's absurd.



By your logic, it would be completely acceptable and moral if native americas took up guns and started shooting people in the street and then declaring themselves a sovereign nation because they were there first. Even beyond that, it would be totally okay with you if another first world country (say, China) provided advanced weapons and constant support to the native american uprising.

The fact that the palistinian empire did something several millennium ago hardly makes it okay for Israel to perform atrocities now.

[Marlin Clock]

That was 3000 years ago.

It's completely irrelevant. To the point that it's absurd.



By your logic, it would be completely acceptable and moral if native americas took up guns and started shooting people in the street and then declaring themselves a sovereign nation because they were there first. Even beyond that, it would be totally okay with you if another first world country (say, China) provided advanced weapons and constant support to the native american uprising.

The fact that the palistinian empire did something several millennium ago hardly makes it okay for Israel to perform atrocities now.

Also it wasn't the Palistinians that drove out the Jews it was the Romans.

It's always the Romans.

[AMPEEEM]

Except when it's the English?

Also, MAN, why is the middle east so fucked. All i read about in history is about how prosperous and beautiful and how many advanced ideas and civlizations sprung from the middle east, and now all I read about is how it's a shit pile. Baghdad was like the center of the world, and it's still there! Who fucking raped the middle east?

I bet it was mongols, when its not the romans or the english, its mongols.

[Thor]

It's also a holy land for the Muslims and the Christians too, though. That was the reason for the crusades.

In fact,  Jerusalem is specifically mentioned as being a holy land in the Qur'an. Jerusalem is so significant that it was Islam's first Qibla before changing it to Mecca.



The Jews really have no more right to the land than the Muslims do. They used to be there a long long time ago, but the land has passed hands many, many times. As Marlin said, it was even part of Rome for a while.

EDIT: In any of these land offers did they offer to give up Jerusalem? I doubt it, and that's a pretty important place. The Muslims could never accept a deal that gave away the holy city to infidels.