Are Gender Behaviors Learned?

[miracle fruit]

i highlighted the part that applies to what thor and i were saying. makeup and all the hygiene things i listed are not part of the natural world (ie. the world as untouched by humans) sure it is part of human nature to brush your teeth, but the concept of wiping your teeth with bristles and paste is not a natural concept (in the natural world)

yes but im not arguing what the traditional concept of nature is. im just saying its dumb and archaic

ie

im not stating artificial things are natural

im asking why we, as animals that are part of nature, consider only what we make to be independent of nature (or even opposite to nature)

for example, if a chimpanzee makes a spear, the spear is considered natural. a spear hardly seems like a "natural" object but it is if a monkey makes one. to put it into better terms, if this was mass effect, all of the crazy nonhuman space technology would be considered natural creations

[F U Clock]

[DurianClock]

I agree with F U Clock, I want to hear about more men in makeup!

[F U Clock]

I agree with F U Clock, I want to hear about more men in makeup!

[Marlin Clock]

well if you read my original post i also said all the artificial shit we make/do we are genetically programmed to make and do, because if we werent genetically programmed to do it, we wouldnt have done it.

That doesn't really factor-in epigenetics to me. You can say its all in the genes but I'd say theres a difference in a rigorous program that only reacts to stimuli by its programming to a program that can change due to the stimuli it receives, it's not exactly programming if it's not rigidly structured right?

[miracle fruit]

however, there is a legitimate use of the word nature to describe the world as untouched by humans

there is a legitimate use , but i dont see anyone understanding the term correctly

go ask anyone if something like alien technology would be considered natural and i can almost guarantee they are going to give you a wrong answer (no)

[Thor]

Miraclefruit, you don't seem to understand. It is very simple.

Anything that is made by man is by definition not natural. That's literally what the word means.


If you're using the alternate definition of nature that is all inclusive, which nobody ever uses in the context that you're talking about, then everything everywhere is natural.


Going back, you were upset that people call birds natural and makeup unnatural. Well, the people who say those things are using the normal definition, not the alternate one you are using. By the definition THEY are using, they are correct.


Here's a list of things because you seem to be confused.
Human made object: Not natural.
Monkey made object: natural
Alien made object: Natural
Anything ever that's NOT made by or effected by a human, no matter what it is: natural

That is what the word means when people are saying such-and-such is unnatural.

[miracle fruit]

Miraclefruit, you don't seem to understand. It is very simple.

Anything that is made by man is by definition not natural. That's literally what the word means.


If you're using the alternate definition of nature that is all inclusive, which nobody ever uses in the context that you're talking about, then everything everywhere is natural.


Going back, you were upset that people call birds natural and makeup unnatural. Well, the people who say those things are using the normal definition, not the alternate one you are using. By the definition THEY are using, they are correct.


Here's a list of things because you seem to be confused.
Human made object: Not natural.
Monkey made object: natural
Alien made object: Natural
Anything ever that's NOT made by or effected by a human, no matter what it is: natural

That is what the word means when people are saying such-and-such is unnatural.

thanks for reiterating almost everything ive said

[Thor]

Oh sorry, I just skimmed your post and assumed you were being dumb still. My bad!

[miracle fruit]

you havent read a single one of my posts or you wouldnt have been arguing with nobody for 2 and a half pages

[Thor]

I never read your posts

[Marlin Clock]

but its because our genetics are the way they are that that growth is possible

I just believe the way you think about it is unnecessarily trivializing it, like making it seem its something we don't have power over because of tangential connections to genetics.

[AlbinoClock]

This entire thread is a meaningless semantic argument. Whether something's "natural" or not is completely irrelevant.

[miracle fruit]

fuck you, my debate was better than your gay debate

[AlbinoClock]

hurr

[miracle fruit]

I agree with AlbinoClock, I want to hear about more men in makeup!

[AlbinoClock]

[F U Clock]

It's not just makeup, I'm just using it as an example. God damnit.

How about long hair? Long hair I'm a little less sold on, since I think male's propensity for baldness actually makes short hair a male trait rather than long hair a female trait, but still we act like women with short hair are all dykes, and men with long hair are like... pretty-boy dickheads or something.

[AstronautClock]

long hair is what everyone should have

[AlbinoClock]

What about it, FU? Maybe I don't get what you're driving at.