Free Astrology Birth Chart Information

[F U Clock]

I don't really know about this more detailed chart thing, but when it comes to generic run-of-the-mill horoscope type stuff, I really gotta roll my eyes. Like, this Twitter account: https://twitter.com/TScpLeo/status/230251731454414848 My fiancee is a Leo. This shit would have you believe she's confident, arrogant, and outgoing. She has floundering self-esteem, loves to undersell herself, and is about as antisocial as it gets. So some horoscope stuff is just plain wrong. When it's not being flat out wrong, it does this irritating trick where it makes a statement, but tries to back out of it immediately after by qualifying it in the opposite way. For instance: https://twitter.com/TScpLeo/status/231663841698795520 They like to show off! But what if they don't like to show off? Well, it's subtle. This way everyone reading it can be like, "Okayyy... Yeah I do that!" I also feel like the way in which they're written is almost commanding people to believe them. "Aries are playful and youthful." I'm not being asked if I am, I'm being told that I am. And I don't like it by jove.

[SirClock]

"no you're not you because of how you've lived, you're you because the skies and cosmos dictated and continue to dictate how you are and will be", fuck that shit buddy.

That's not how astrology works nor how it should be understood. Maybe you should stop trying to inform me on how astrology works and "dictates how you are and will be" when you have an extremely skewed understanding of astrology in the first place? It does not "dictate" your personality any more then a mirror dictates your physical appearance. It is a tool used to understand cosmic energy patterns. It may be nice to familiarize yourself and understand the fundamental life situations/energies/emotions that you're dealing with before you live your life, gain more experience and grow and transform. Astrology is entirely about growth and transformation (evolution) not the opposite (determinism). I follow Evolutionary Astrology which does give proper credit to your ancestors, family and upbringing... actually it is entirely about your past and upbringing! Just do yourself a solid and stop saying you have any knowledge in a field you evidently havn't studied at all! Glad you discovered birth chart software! It's shitty! And that won't give you the correct ontology or understanding of astrology alone! I'm trying to spread awareness and the less know-it-alls who already think they've mastered a very esoteric science and thenafter determined it was bunk, the better thanks.

Uhh how can I do that? You didn't re-do my chart.

Yes I did check your PM.

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4173

This is just more information coming from non-astrologers who think they have an understanding. The astronomer who pointed out the 13 constellations didn't even consider the whole astrology thing until internet-news-reporters got ahold of the story and it was blown to viral proportions. Fascinating that it was possible for that to happen considering that the position of the constellations in the sky has nothing to do with the dividing of the 360 degree circle into the 12 zodiac. (just watch this video if you're interested in how it works)
 People are just extremely misinformed in general on this stuff which is why maybe having some correct information before making all the judgments might be nice.

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You are addressing all the stuff I'm trying to rectify. I discussed exactly this in the first post. Leo and Aries energy are indeed very particular energies (although the descriptions you gave are of course very limited as each sign of the zodiac is actually very elaborate and contains many different levels of meaning). That stuff is based only off you guy's Sun-Sign which makes up only a very small portion of your complete chart. That is why it is so limiting and inaccurate. If you'd like better information I'm giving it out for free.

Please read the first post before you read the title and jump in here to bash astrology. This thread will become derailed so quickly...

[SirClock]

That's not how astrology works nor how it should be understood. Maybe you should stop trying to inform me on how astrology works and "dictates how you are and will be" when you have an extremely skewed understanding of astrology in the first place? It does not "dictate" your personality any more then a mirror dictates your physical appearance. It is a tool used to understand cosmic energy patterns. It may be nice to familiarize yourself and understand the fundamental life situations/energies/emotions that you're dealing with before you live your life, gain more experience and grow and transform. Astrology is entirely about growth and transformation (evolution) not the opposite (determinism). I follow Evolutionary Astrology which does give proper credit to your ancestors, family and upbringing... actually it is entirely about your past and upbringing! Just do yourself a solid and stop saying you have any knowledge in a field you evidently havn't studied at all! Glad you discovered birth chart software! It's shitty! And that won't give you the correct ontology or understanding of astrology alone! I'm trying to spread awareness and the less know-it-alls who already think they've mastered a very esoteric science and thenafter determined it was bunk, the better thanks.

 Yes I did check your PM.

 This is just more information coming from non-astrologers who think they have an understanding. The astronomer who pointed out the 13 constellations didn't even consider the whole astrology thing until internet-news-reporters got ahold of the story and it was blown to viral proportions. Fascinating that it was possible for that to happen considering that the position of the constellations in the sky has nothing to do with the dividing of the 360 degree circle into the 12 zodiac. (just watch this video if you're interested in how it works)
 People are just extremely misinformed in general on this stuff which is why maybe having some correct information before making all the judgments might be nice.

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 You are addressing all the stuff I'm trying to rectify. I discussed exactly this in the first post. Leo and Aries energy are indeed very particular energies (although the descriptions you gave are of course very limited as each sign of the zodiac is actually very elaborate and contains many different levels of meaning). That stuff is based only off you guy's Sun-Sign which makes up only a very small portion of your complete chart. That is why it is so limiting and inaccurate. If you'd like better information, I'm giving it out for free.

[SirClock]

For the record... and this is what the thread is about... consensus, not speculation...

Only 2 out of 5 responded so far and said it was highly accurate.

Where are the other 3? Please speak up. (check your PM albino)

Let this be about people using their own discretion and skepticism after they have the actual information. Not before. Not basing your prejudice off of newspaper horoscopes and sticking only to that horrible and inaccurate information. That is what I'm trying to fix. There are reasons astrology has been put under for so long. Mostly religious bigots. Religious bigots still have alot of control in this world believe it or not. But the reputation will change as soon as people are allowed the opportunity to see this stuff actually works in a logical and accurate way.

[F U Clock]

You are addressing all the stuff I'm trying to rectify. I discussed exactly this in the first post. Leo and Aries energy are indeed very particular energies (although the descriptions you gave are of course very limited as each sign of the zodiac is actually very elaborate and contains many different levels of meaning). That stuff is based only off you guy's Sun-Sign which makes up only a very small portion of your complete chart. That is why it is so limiting and inaccurate. If you'd like better information I'm giving it out for free.

Please read the first post before you read the title and jump in here to bash astrology. This thread will become derailed so quickly...

I read your first post, and like I said in my post, I'm not talking about the charts you're discussing, just what irks me about the way Astrology is presented. If anything, I was trying to be supportive of what you're bringing to the table, since people are dismissing it because of it's relationship to what I was talking about. I was agreeing with them that some astrology was clear bullshit, in an attempt to divert some of the heat off of your OP, and maybe steer the conversation in a direction where we could better contrast the 5 cent horoscope from a detailed reading.

Also, the ClockCrew is where threads go to get derailed.

EDIT: I re-read my post and I didn't really talk about the birth charts much, so I apologize for bashing astrology in general.

DOUBLE EDIT: Not to say I myself am particularly taken with it. Just that I can't speak for the validity of those birth charts.

[SirClock]

I read your first post, and like I said in my post, I'm not talking about the charts you're discussing, just what irks me about the way Astrology is presented. If anything, I was trying to be supportive of what you're bringing to the table, since people are dismissing it because of it's relationship to what I was talking about. I was agreeing with them that some astrology was clear bullshit, in an attempt to divert some of the heat off of your OP, and maybe steer the conversation in a direction where we could better contrast the 5 cent horoscope from a detailed reading.

Also, the ClockCrew is where threads go to get derailed.

True. Its inevitable, but we'll see how long it lasts :P

Ok yes I understand and I agree. The issue is that even what I am presenting in this thread is still highly mundane astrology. Its just the very basic basics, so yes it still appears very much like "this is who you are. You are a Mars-Arian". That is the misleading part.

Actually the way I find it most useful is when somebody comes to me dealing with an intense emotional problem and they don't know what the root cause of the issue is. Its really helpful at getting to the root fundamental energies that create situations/emotions in our lives. Somebody may be super anxious but may not know whether that anxiety is occurring on a mental, emotional, spiritual, developmental, or relationship level. There are so many different changes that happen throughout life that cause us suffering and force us to transform! This practice can make for a handy tool to decipher what areas of life are being influenced and how to best direct our awareness to bring healing to different aspects of ourselves. If the pain we are dealing with has roots in our childhood or family life, wouldn't that be nice to know?

And furthermore, when I work with clients its never "Well this is how it is. It's your girlfriend!" It's more like "Well astrology suggests this pain could come from your past and it is linked with your mother, did you have issues with your mother you are dealing with now?" and the client is usually pleasantly surprised and relieved in finding something they actually already knew (at least subconsciously) and are simply getting reconfirmation on what they already know and the direction they already know they need to head in.

[DWARFINATORclock]

lol @ this thread

[AlbinoClock]

Cautious, prudent, and rather self-contained, you are a person who approaches life realistically and who is not inclined to take foolish chances or get carried away by the overly optimistic or idealistic schemes of starry-eyed dreamers. In fact, you frequently have a jaundiced view of such things. You are rather worldly-wise at a fairly young age, even something of a cynic. Often the world doesn't seem like a safe, friendly place to you, and you tend to approach life in a guarded, conservative manner. You are generally calculating and careful, and are rarely spontaneous, fluid, open, and childlike.

Okay
 

You are pragmatic, shrewd, and an excellent strategist, carefully planning your moves for maximum effectiveness and advantage. You are willing to work long and persistently for what you want and you often do things the hard way. You do not expect others to take care of you and sometimes refuse or simply don't seek any outside help. You are often very ambitious, but quietly so. There is nothing flamboyant or flashy about your approach. You are very responsible, conscientious, and very concerned with your duties to others and how you appear in society, your "rank" so to speak.

I am lazy, easily distracted, and frequently abandon plans. I almost never do things "the hard way" if there is a way that I think is easier and equally effective. I do not give a fuck for social "rank", and how dedicated I am to "my duties to others" depends largely on my own interests and how much I care about the person in question.

To others you seem mature, serious, quiet, reflective, and emotionally detached. You dislike sloppy sentimentality and won't openly display your feelings, especially the softer ones. You like to always appear poised and in control and hate to show any weakness, vulnerability, or chinks in the armor.

Okay, I guess. I'm pretty quiet a lot of the time and I don't frequently get emotional. I'm not really sure what's meant by "sloppy sentimentality", but I have certainly been more than happy to display feelings of love, happiness, or anger. I'm pretty sure *most* men hide sadness if they can manage it, as we've been trained to do so.
 

You respect tradition and the time-honored way of doing things, and you feel there is much to be gained from studying history and also by learning from older, more experienced people. A wise mentor or father is often your guide in life, and you in turn develop a great deal of hard-earned wisdom which you like to impart to younger people.

I give zero fucks about tradition. History is much more often a demonstration of folly than it is a demonstration of what should be done. Most of my learning has been independent, I've never had a "wise mentor or father" to guide my life. I've got my own back.

You have a stern, authoritarian, no-nonsense aspect to your personality. You expect much from yourself and may not give yourself enough room to experiment and make mistakes.

That can be taken in so many ways that it's more or less meaningless.

 

You also tend to be rather close-fisted, to save and conserve your money and resources rather than spending, enjoying, or splurging with them. You spend money on things of quality and of lasting value, things which are good investments, but not frivolous, temporary pleasures. There is a bit of the ascetic in you. You have great self-discipline and self-control and can "do without" very well. Your tastes are generally understated and simple.

I blow all my money on drugs and beer.

Though you may have other, more colorful and imaginative sides, the face you show the world is modest and rather conservative.

Maybe this is sort of the case now, but it sure as hell wasn't always the case. Y'all have seen my old haircut.

Sun in Virgo:
At heart you are modest and humble, and you rarely strive to be in the limelight or in a position of power. You have a sharp analytical mind, a keen eye for detail, and you prefer to observe, dissect, and study life from a distance. Conscientious and conservative, you can be relied upon to be careful, efficient, and thorough in your work and you take pride in doing a job well. What you may lack in self-confidence you often make up for in skill - developing expertise, technical knowledge, and competency in some specialized area. You are adept at using your hands to create or fix things, and meticulous attention to detail and careful craftsmanship are your forte. Some would say you are a little TOO meticulous, for you can be extremely critical and petty if everything is not done exactly as you think it should be, and you worry about things that other people consider trivial and unimportant. You like to organize, categorize, and arrange everything into a logical system, and you are often distinctly uncomfortable when something does not fit into a neat category. Disorganization vexes you. You probably wish that you were not such a perfectionist, for besides being a stickler for details, you can be mercilessly self-critical as well. Whether in your environment or in yourself, you tend to focus on the flaws, with a desire to improve, refine, and perfect. You are strictly factual, truthful, and scrupulously honest in your self-estimation, and you often do not give yourself enough praise or credit.

Again, a mix of nonsense and somewhat accurate predictions. I actually love running shit. I'm certainly not what I would call meticulous, and disorganization doesn't bother me at all. My room is a fucking mess right now and I used to give my FLAs file names like "00000ASDFSFSFS".

You are also highly discriminating and may be especially particular about your diet, hygiene, and health habits. You have high aesthetic standards and refined sensitivities, and will be bothered by elements in your surroundings (such as disorder, cigarette smoke, etc.) that others overlook. Your tastes are simple, understated, but refined. Coarseness, bluntness, and vulgarity really offend you. You can be difficult to live with sometimes because of your fastidiousness, your sensitivity, and your idiosyncrasies about food and cleanliness.

Nope.

Though you seem rather cool and self-contained, you have a very helpful nature and you enjoy serving others. You are content to be in a supportive, assisting role rather than in the lead. You are quietly devoted to the ones you care for.

Content? Okay, but not "rather than". I'd much prefer to be running shit. I don't mind helping people who are grateful for the help, though.

You are careful and cautious in your approach to life, realistic, practical, and disinclined to gamble. You analyze before you act. You are too serious sometimes. Allowing yourself to play and to make mistakes would be HEALTHY for you!

This is probably pretty accurate, for me and about 40% of the population.

Sun in 8th house:

     You crave intense experiences and are attracted to aspects of life that are strange, unfathomable, or taboo. You may hide your interests or inclinations, except from those who know you very intimately. You are rarely content with yourself and your life, and you have an inner urge to be continually going farther or deeper than you ever have before. You also have a strong interest in social power and the role that money and economics play in people's lives.

I certainly enjoy some things that are strange or taboo, and I certainly hide those inclinations from most people who I just know casually. Again, though, I'd imagine this is true of a large portion of the population. I may not be content with my life, but I sure as hell am more likely than not to do nothing at all about it. Social power I find somewhat interesting, but economics less so.

Sun Conjunct Mercury:

    You tend to see things from your perspective only and to be rather subjective. You also enjoy talking and expressing your views but you don't always listen as well. You have a clear mind, a love of learning and new experiences, and need constant mental stimulation and activity.

You tend to see things from your perspective? That's the prediction? What the hell does that even mean? I'd imagine I must be doing some listening or my beliefs and ideals wouldn't be changing so much as time goes by. I do require more or less constant mental stimulation.

Sun Square Mars:

    You are direct, energetic, sometimes aggressive and combative. You often feel that you need to fight to get what you want and you tend to have a "me-first" attitude that angers or irritates others. You are hasty, restless, impatient, and sometimes reckless.

First sentence, a little, second, not really, third, sure, less so as I get older.

Sun Square Uranus:

    Impulsive, restless, and spontaneous, your life is apt to be somewhat unstable and full of sudden changes. You are extremely independent and crave excitement, adventure, freedom, and discovery. You have a rebellious streak and often feel you are unusual and different from the mainstream of society. The unorthodox and novel appeal to you.

And yet just a little while ago I was told that I was not impulsive or spontaneous. I'm certainly independent and require freedom, though I'm a little less active on the adventure and discovery bit than I was in my younger years.
 
I'm not going to go through the rest of these paragraph by paragraph because that would take forever, this ought to have been enough to give you a general idea of how the hits and misses are coming. I will now tally them, go back to the other chart, tally those, and make a comparison.

[Slurpee]

I'm trying to spread awareness and the less know-it-alls who already think they've mastered a very esoteric science and thenafter determined it was bunk, the better thanks.

ftlog please don't call this "science"

[AlbinoClock]

You are inclined to analyze, measure, and dissect everything and to miss nuances, subtle shades of feeling and meaning.

I find this to be a very telling statement. Whoever came up with this program is of the belief that the inclination to analyze things will cause you to miss nuances, not be more aware of them. Unsurprising to find anti-intellectualism in an anti-intellectual field. At any rate, back to my analysis.

The mysterious and the unknown fascinate you and you may investigate the supernatural or something that is hidden or taboo.

Also, this is just funny. Someone who takes their star chart seriously having an interest in the supernatural? Perish the thought.

[buttplug]

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4173

I was referring to astrology in general not the interactions between molecules

[AlbinoClock]

Hey, no fair getting rid of the bullshit chart so I can't compare it. Oh well, I'll compare myself to Vuvuzela.

Damn is there no one in this thread whose birthday is at least 4 months away from mine? I guess I'll take Patriot, I would have liked a December or February or something though.

[F U Clock]

Hey, no fair getting rid of the bullshit chart so I can't compare it. Oh well, I'll compare myself to Vuvuzela.

Damn is there no one in this thread whose birthday is at least 4 months away from mine? I guess I'll take Patriot, I would have liked a December or February or something though.

Mine's April 6th... That's over four months prior.

[AlbinoClock]

Okay, so I broke this down into what I considered "individual predictions". One individual prediction may take up multiple sentences, or only a portion of a sentence. In my chart I counted 206 individual predictions, whereas Jeff's chart appears to contain 208, so they're pretty close in terms of total information. I broke the predictions down into hits, misses, and predictions that were vague enough that they could be interpreted to go either way. Of the hits, I think it's important to note that many of these seemed to be more or less universal, or otherwise predictions with a high probability of accuracy in relation to any given person. Range of accuracy is from clear hits (including predictions I considered to be obvious or universal) to a combination of clear hits and vague predictions.

Both charts are compared for accuracy to me, I have no idea how accurate Jeff's chart is to him.

VIRGO (Me)
Cosmo Natal Report
HIT 60
MISS 61
VAGUE 55

Major Life Themes
HIT 15
MISS 5
VAGUE 10

TOTAL HITS: 75
TOTAL MISSES: 66
TOTAL VAGUE: 65
ACCURACY: 36%-67%

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CANCER (Jeff)
Cosmo Natal Report
HIT 71
MISS 52
VAGUE 47

Major Life Themes
HIT 23
MISS 9
VAUGE 6

TOTAL HITS: 94
TOTAL MISSES 61
TOTAL VAGUE: 53

ACCURACY: 45%-70%

You'll note that Jeff's prediction, when we consider only clear hits, is 9% more accurate for me than my own, but that when vague predictions are included, this drops to a mere 3% difference. Also, the Major Life Themes sections seem to be more accurate because, if these two are any indication, they seem to be much more general.
 
The data could probably benefit from a larger sample size but that took forever.

[SirClock]

ftlog please don't call this "science"

No. Learn the definition of science. This is all physics and math ftlog.

shitload of shit

Suit yourself. Your the judge. I'm not trying to convert people just maybe give some more insight then what they've been conditioned by this narrow-minded culture.

[AlbinoClock]

No. Learn the definition of science. This is all physics and math ftlog.

This has absolutely nothing to do with physics.

 

Suit yourself. Your the judge. I'm not trying to convert people just maybe give some more insight then what they've been conditioned by this narrow-minded culture.

Arrogance. Unadulterated arrogance. You, sir, are a charlatan, a swindler, a mountebank.

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Some of the "facts" were true, some were not. Astrology isn't legitimate science, it's just throwing out basic traits of people, and then backing out and saying the exact opposite. It's like "You can be fun and exciting, except for the times when you aren't feeling fun and exciting." As Penn and Teller would say, Astrology is BULLSHIT. I mean I read on the exact same page "You are very expressive" and then a couple paragraphs later it says "you keep to yourself", or something like that. :l

[Maltese]

No. Learn the definition of science. This is all physics and math ftlog.

No, it's not.

Astrology has nothing to do with math nor any science. Prove me wrong.
 
sciââ,¬Â¢ence |ˈsÃ,,«Éâ,,¢ns|
noun
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Astrology doesn't live up to this definition.

it does live up to this though.

suââ,¬Â¢perââ,¬Â¢stiââ,¬Â¢tion |ËÅ'soÃ...pÉâ,,¢rˈsti sh Éâ,,¢n|
noun
excessively credulous belief in and reverence for unverified, or unverifiable, events or phenomena

Astrology isn't legitimate science.

Astrology isn't even science. Legitimate or otherwise. It is superstition.

[SirClock]

Hey guys guess what I'm not wasting my time doing: trying to convince you astrology is a science.

Thanks for your opinions, however SirClock is a highly individual clock-person-man who has strong opinions about very taboo and controversial things.

Everyone in the clock crew thinks they know everything so naturally, I regularly attract a whole boatload of ego-dribble.

However, I am not going to address it. You all know everything, you all have your own opinions, fine stick with it.

If you want your birth info PM me.

Astrology has nothing to do with math nor any science. Prove me wrong.
 
sciââ,¬Â¢ence |ˈsÃ,,«Éâ,,¢ns|
noun
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

Astrology doesn't live up to this definition.

You're plainly moronic.

[Maltese]

Hey guys guess what I'm not wasting my time doing: trying to convince you astrology is a science.

Good because it isn't.

Thanks for your opinions, however SirClock is a highly individual clock-person-man who has strong opinions about very taboo and controversial things.

Also known as unverified superstitions and general foolishness.

Everyone in the clock crew thinks they know everything so naturally, I regularly attract a whole boatload of ego-dribble.

However, I am not going to address it. You all know everything, you all have your own opinions, fine stick with it.

If you want your birth info PM me.

Most people require evidence before they believe things.

You're plainly moronic.

That's what your mom said last night.