leekclock

[BilliardBall10]

dont make me look up the thread....

[Slurpee]

I won't make you but I will say you should probably be sure you're not misremembering something before you share it

[PhantomCatClock]

I remember Slurpee wanting us to only call him Ye Olde Slurpeee but two different searches couldn't reveal the thread

[SpudClock]

Leek was way too awesome to just leave over some dumbass dickbag.

[BilliardBall10]

I won't make you but I will say you should probably be sure you're not misremembering something before you share it

ok, fair enough, man.

(BTW, i searched the forums/archives for cadillacs posts, and i just discovered that he has ''1 post(s)'', and his join date is... 14-04-2013?!
what the hell? did he delete his profile or something?)

i have to say tho, that even if my memory is wrong, i remember some tension between cadillac and some members during 08 (myself included)

Leek was way too awesome to just leave over some dumbass dickbag.

oh man, i hope so. leek was one the greatest clocks ever!
he was always kind and helpful, and i was asking him about animation tips, questions for the forum and stuff.

i have to ask tho. why would leek leave?  (apart from irl issues and responsibilities, which i completely understand).
i mean, back in 2007-2008, he was planning to revive a couple cool things in the clock-crew (such as the TIEM magazine), and to bring in new things, like the CC's (a fake currency that would motivate us to do more animations/collabs) and the clock-groups...
the way he left in 2010 was quite sudden, and without any clear answer.

EDIT: i found one thread where leek clashed with internet cult's leadership about the ''chat admins'' or something:
http://www.clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?80427-hands-up-orderly-queue-which-of-you&highlight=
(check out the first posts by leek (#3 #4, and #9) and the conflict that he has with cadillac. (which is quoted in post #9) leek is responding to cad's posts in the post-numbers mentioned above -3,4,9-)

bottom line: i feel sad that leek left the CC, and i will always be happy on his return.

[Slurpee]

okay but that doesn't make him the reason he left.

caddy argued with me, too. I had tiffs with grey, miracle fruit, clam... it just happens. people have different ideas about leadership philosophy and how it should be executed, and they butt heads over it, and it's not always very nice. Pepsi went on a serious tear one time about me and leek taking things too seriously and being all artsy and shit, but pepsi's still genuinely one of my favorite cc animators and I've got nothing but respect for the guy.
 Cadillac and Leek were both just doing their best, and I'm sure they know enough to see that in each other. neither drove the other out.

[Kodiakclock]

You all suck and should have made me admin

[BilliardBall10]

okay but that doesn't make him the reason he left.

caddy argued with me, too. I had tiffs with grey, miracle fruit, clam... it just happens. people have different ideas about leadership philosophy and how it should be executed, and they butt heads over it, and it's not always very nice. Pepsi went on a serious tear one time about me and leek taking things too seriously and being all artsy and shit, but pepsi's still genuinely one of my favorite cc animators and I've got nothing but respect for the guy.
 Cadillac and Leek were both just doing their best, and I'm sure they know enough to see that in each other. neither drove the other out.

ok, i was simply stating some old facts that happened during that time that would explain such a sudden dissapearance.
(ofcourse like i previously said, he could've left due to irl stuff and due to various responsibilities, which is natural)

i also agree on you about the artistic respect; i still like your posts/writings, despite the fact that you hate/loathe me.

also, would you like to take part on the VOID 3 revival thing? damn, if the hackers didnt hack our forums on that day, you, koala and the rest of us would have created an epic ''void 3'' tribute... it would be epic!

ah, yes. so sad to see that thing abandoned

[Slurpee]

, despite the fact that you hate/loathe me.

bb10
 can I be really serious for a minute?

there is no reason to define our relationship by our differences, except for your own repeated and public insistence on doing so. you attribute the negativity between us to some peculiar hatred on my part, which, I can only assure you, as I always have, does not exist. I can't even express how frustrating this has been.

we have problems between us (and I'll admit I'm often the first to escalate them to verbal exchanges, but only because I respect you enough not to let them fester), because that is the inevitable result of individuals in a society having to coexist. we aren't always going to get along. that's just life. but if you can't accept the fact that we're not always going to get along, and that the reason for this isn't that "I hate you", we're never going to get along

you are making a decision to paint me as a villain in the melodrama of your life, instead of respecting that my actions and words, even if they seem hurtful to you, come from a genuine and human place. you claim to respect me, but in the same breath describe me harboring unambiguous malice and, tacitly, putting yourself in the role of my hapless victim. don't you think it's time you grew up?

[PirateClock]

Dammmmmm son, you just go yo ass schooled.

[AlbinoClock]

I kinda want to get a CC tattoo. Either an SBC or Albino. I've been AlbinoClock for 10 years so shit why not?

[AlbinoClock]

because that is the inevitable result of individuals in a society having to coexist.

Also because bb10 is god knows whose sock puppet troll account.
 
Hey albino, do you have any old .flas for dreams are weird?
 
That's my whole inbox.

[BilliardBall10]

bb10
 can I be really serious for a minute?

there is no reason to define our relationship by our differences, except for your own repeated and public insistence on doing so. you attribute the negativity between us to some peculiar hatred on my part, which, I can only assure you, as I always have, does not exist.

we have problems between us (and I'll admit I'm often the first to escalate them to verbal exchanges, but only because I respect you enough not to let them fester), because that is the inevitable result of individuals in a society having to coexist. we aren't always going to get along. that's just life. but if you can't accept the fact that we're not always going to get along, we're never going to get along.

you are making a decision to paint me as a villain, instead of respecting that my actions and words, even if they seem hurtful to you, come from a genuine and human place. you respect me, but in the same breath describe me harboring unambiguous malice and, tacitly, putting yourself in the role of my hapless victim.

ah, but ofcourse. i accept the fact that we are not going to (always) get along.
because like in real-life, people have their good days, and their bad days, their good conversations and their quarrels with others, and that is again something that i understand.

what i dont understand is when some people hate me extremely much (im not talking about you), and they never state a solid reason, and/or when i ask them for such a reason, (as to why they hate me), they always resort to a lame excuse or they call me a moron. (which is a lame argument)

to be honest, talking and interacting in the clockcrew is sometimes like being in a mine-field.
if you dont look out for your each step(in our case words, general behavior, popularity, etc etc), you will get blown into pieces.

also: its not my ''personal melodrama''. please. do i call you a drama king? no. so please  do not put fake words in my mouth.
when i say that (insert name here)-clock hates/dislikes me, its usually a fact, or a well-known state of things.
i do not exaggerate when i say such things, and i usually try to avoid conflict, since i like to enjoy peacefull times in this community.

as for the ''i claim to respect you'' part, i do respect your ability to write good posts/articles/stories/stuff, and i have mentioned numerous times that you are smart and eloquent, and this was one of the many reasons as to why i was sad to see your dislike towards me.
(dont consider dislike an exaggeration now, i just use the word ''dislike'' for the arguement's sake. also, to say some facts, usually if someone doesnt likes a person, he obviously is either neutral or he dislikes the said person)

what im trying to say is:
if we dont always get along, thats fine and good, because this is life, and its normal, but
if we never get along, then im certain that this means that you dont  really like(or simply do not feel good with) me.

because in order to ''not always get along'', you must like  me some times.
(in order to maintain a like/dislike ratio of things in order to achieve the ''not always get along'' status in this situation)

that is all, i hope you will not be angry with this, i simply offer you a peace offering, to bury the hatchet, because all i want is to be friends/peacefull with everybody.

Also because bb10 is god knows whose sock puppet troll account.
Hey albino, do you have any old .flas for dreams are weird?
That's my whole inbox.

1. im 100% real.
2. this happened 2 years ago, so this ''was'' your inbox, or it ''used to be''.
k thnx bb

[Slurpee]

also: its not my ''personal melodrama''. please. do i call you a drama king? no. so please  do not put fake words in my mouth.
when i say that (insert name here)-clock hates/dislikes me, its usually a fact, or a well-known state of things.
i do not exaggerate when i say such things, and i usually try to avoid conflict, since i like to enjoy peacefull times in this community.

as for the ''i claim to respect you'' part, i do respect your ability to write good posts/articles/stories/stuff, and i have mentioned numerous times that you are smart and eloquent, and this was one of the many reasons as to why i was sad to see your dislike towards me.
(dont consider dislike an exaggeration now, i just use the word ''dislike'' for the arguement's sake. also, to say some facts, usually if someone doesnt likes a person, he obviously is either neutral or he dislikes the said person)

what im trying to say is:
if we dont always get along, thats fine and good, because this is life, and its normal, but
if we never get along, then im certain that this means that you dont  really like(or simply do not feel good with) me.

because in order to ''not always get along'', you must like  me some times.
(in order to maintain a like/dislike ratio of things in order to achieve the ''not always get along'' status in this situation)

I like things about you. I like certain behavior patterns. I admire your vivaciousness, and zeal. I like that you come at the unfamiliar with a big open heart. I like your kooky oddball approach to things. it's funny, and interesting, seeing the way you approach things that I'd otherwise take for granted.

but when your feelings get hurt, your behavior gets self-centered. you act passive aggressive. when you learn somebody doesn't like something about you, or even just gets annoyed with something you did, or even just makes a joke at your expense, your response is to declare your distress and inability to cope with their dislike, and you go into histrionics about how you just wanted to be friends. you never respond by actually addressing anything shitty you've done. you try to spin it, and paint yourself up as kind and well-meaning, and nobody's saying you aren't, but... you can't hector people into ignoring your faults. enmity isn't a choice. it arises naturally, and you can't just wish it away. we have to outgrow our resentments, try to be bigger than our faults and our weaknesses. I don't see that in you, and it makes me sad. because your feelings are legitimate, and you're entitled to them, but it's not beyond your control, and I think if you could really grasp that, you'd feel a lot better.

[PhantomCatClock]

Slurpee's so intellectual he can read an entire multiparagraph BB10 post without skimming



But yeah, you didn't have to defend anything from his last post, Beeb, or even this one (and I hope you won't).

[BilliardBall10]

I like things about you. I like certain behavior patterns. I admire your vivaciousness, and zeal. I like that you come at the unfamiliar with a big open heart. I like your kooky oddball approach to things. it's funny, and interesting, seeing the way you approach things that I'd otherwise take for granted.

but when your feelings get hurt, your behavior gets self-centered. you act passive aggressive. when you learn somebody doesn't like something about you, or even just gets annoyed with something you did, or even just makes a joke at your expense, your response is to declare your distress and inability to cope with their dislike, and you go into histrionics about how you just wanted to be friends.

hmm.
i see good things in your argument, and i shall take your advice with a grain of salt.

however, i must remind people, that im far less annoying than what i used to be in 2007-2008.
and i always try to improve. is my improvement a huge improvement? i really dont know. maybe its a small improvement.
but i dont fill inboxes anymore like i used to, and i limit my new threads to 1 or 2 per 2- weeks/month, so thats really something....
nowadays i only try to make flash and to have fun in the forums, so i dont see anything bad in my pattern.... (at least for now).

remember this, slurpee:
1. i am not passive agressive. that would be lame. even if i do sound like such a person, i simply try to defend myself.
2. i recognize my mistakes. the recent ''slurpee'' thread was a huge mistake that i did, and i walked right into the ''trap'' that you left open for me.
should i react like i did? no. hell no.
but now i learned from my mistakes. i am not a perfect person, but i always try to improve, even if at first glance, this isn't happening.

i will not tire you anymore, i just wanted to tell you, that i always listen to good advice, and you gave me some good advice.

PS: what does ''histrionics'' means?!

Slurpee's so intellectual he can read an entire multiparagraph BB10 post without skimming
But yeah, you didn't have to defend anything from his last post, Beeb, or even this one (and I hope you won't).

i am not defending, i am simply having a friendly conversation with slurpee, which proves, everyone can talk with bb10.
(as long as they are civil and reasonable)
thank you phantomcat, you are a nice guy

[CourgetteClock]

You guys crack me up

[PhantomCatClock]

it got really sam and max in here

[BilliardBall10]

what do you mean?

[PhantomCatClock]

Ugh, Sam, what happened to your voice?


but hey back to leek clock