can God create a being more powerful than himself?

Thor · January 11, 2008, 05:12:50 PM

If you say "yes" or "no" it means he is not perfect.

Marlin Clock · January 11, 2008, 05:26:17 PM

That's like saying can you make a number larger than infinity, it doesn't prove anything. He is the epitome of perfection, there is no higher degree.

joliet_jane · January 11, 2008, 06:10:58 PM

Possibly.

In the Bible, God created language because, as the humans were building the Tower of Babel, God and Co. started getting nervous that they could become as powerful as they themselves were. So, if there was such a threat, that means that God could possibly create something more powerful than Himself.

This story is not meant to be interpreted literally, of course, so... maybe not.

Marlin Clock · January 11, 2008, 06:15:47 PM

Quote from: Δ;1172141infinity isnt a real number, it doesnt tangibly exist like 3 or 170. its just an abstract idea. i guess you're right then its a good metaphor for god. own

Not that abstract, there are things that exist that are infinate, the universe is the best example.

Also I'm taking a stop here so I don't go en route to 2005 avenue.

GreyClock · January 11, 2008, 06:42:02 PM

Quote from: Prince Fielder;1172192Not that abstract, there are things that exist that are infinate, the universe is the best example.

I read this book by some guy and he said the universe was finite but boundless.

LeekClock · January 11, 2008, 06:44:53 PM

Quote from: joliet_jane;1172186Possibly.

In the Bible, God created language because, as the humans were building the Tower of Babel, God and Co. started getting nervous that they could become as powerful as they themselves were. So, if there was such a threat, that means that God could possibly create something more powerful than Himself.

This story is not meant to be interpreted literally, of course, so... maybe not.

I thought it was more the case that he was pissed that people were dishonouring his greatness by attempting feats that would equal his own, and so he scattered everyone far and wide

beebles · January 11, 2008, 08:32:04 PM

Quote from: Prince Fielder;1172192Not that abstract, there are things that exist that are infinite, the universe is the best example.

Wether or not the universe is infinite is still a pretty hotly debated issue among physicists.

joliet_jane · January 11, 2008, 08:49:48 PM

Quote from: LeekClock;1172247I thought it was more the case that he was pissed that people were dishonouring his greatness by attempting feats that would equal his own, and so he scattered everyone far and wide

Yeah, me too. That's what I remember from church and Sunday school. But the text looks different from that:

QuoteAnd the Lord said, Behold, they are one people and they have [a]all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do, and now nothing they have imagined they can do will be impossible for them.

7Come, let Us go down and there confound (mix up, confuse) their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

OvenmittClock · January 11, 2008, 09:31:25 PM

Quote from: joliet_janeCome, let Us go down and there confound (mix up, confuse) their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

even this proves that "god" is inperfect, what kind of a moron wouldnt want people to understand each other?

beebles · January 11, 2008, 09:46:11 PM

Quote from: Ovenmitt Clock;1172492even this proves that "god" is inperfect, what kind of a moron wouldnt want people to understand each other?

why would God have to make people understand each other? Wouldn't it make sense for him to prolong his fun by setting additional challenges to his creations?

Marlin Clock · January 11, 2008, 10:58:10 PM

Also I thought that the tower was a story to explain the difference of languages.

Masquatto · January 11, 2008, 10:59:54 PM

Why do people even start God-based debates here?

Marlin Clock · January 11, 2008, 11:03:55 PM

Quote from: Masquatto;1172617Why do people even start God-based debates here?

It's a mystery.

Thor · January 12, 2008, 12:09:54 AM

Quote from: Masquatto;1172617Why do people even start God-based debates here?

I think this thread was a success

Masquatto · January 12, 2008, 12:40:41 AM

Quote from: Guy Incognito;1172712I think this thread was a success

god must be a woman because women can be fuckin hott (hotness makes you more perfect)

TequilaClock · January 12, 2008, 01:10:54 AM

Yes because he is not perfect.

Built-in favourable paradox

Roman Collar Clock · January 12, 2008, 01:28:10 AM

Quote from: joliet_jane;1172186Possibly.

In the Bible, God created language because, as the humans were building the Tower of Babel, God and Co. started getting nervous that they could become as powerful as they themselves were. So, if there was such a threat, that means that God could possibly create something more powerful than Himself.

This story is not meant to be interpreted literally, of course, so... maybe not.

I think God did that because they were being arrogant, not that He was afraid of them.

I also don't have a problem with saying God can't create something more powerful than Himself. Then again, He did create miniature gods, which would be us.

OvenmittClock · January 12, 2008, 01:30:04 AM

Quote from: Ruben Rybnik;1172504why would God have to make people understand each other? Wouldn't it make sense for him to prolong his fun by setting additional challenges to his creations?

man...god has a shitty taste of entertainment.

Ti-83Clock · January 12, 2008, 01:30:14 AM

if you are trying to disprove god, you failed before beginning because you acknowledged him.

(btw did i miss an avi :bandwagon)

Roman Collar Clock · January 12, 2008, 01:35:21 AM

Life is like The Sims to God, except He always keeps the free will option on and only on occasion will He set off fireworks INSIDE of the house.

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can God create a being more powerful than himself?