If a kid fucks up in life

[Silly Putty Clock]

The parents are the initial influence. Where they place their baby is where secondary influence sprouts. Then the chosen school system and society where that lies and where everything from there leads is of influence shared by the child and parent dependant upon the relationship between them which varies into the high school years, which then vary beyond all reason and it could be in anyones hands depending on the teens impressions on peer pressure, drugs, obedience, knowledge, study, friends, relationships, and many other things. That in turn effects their life's plans and decisions because after their impressionable years are over, it'd take a miracle/incident to shift course. Perhaps like a death or accident of a loved one, friend, or self. In a way it really is EVERYONE'S fault.

Which is exactly what I was saying.

[CapitalistClock]

Well, it seems to me that people only think of it one way. If the kid goes to jail, the blame falls on the parents. If the kid becomes the greatest president history has ever seen, no one is going to give credit to his parents. That's HIS accomplishment. So if HIS accomplishments are HIS accomplishments, why can't HIS mistakes be HIS mistakes?

HIS mistakes are HIS mistakes, but it still goes back to the way the parents raised him in the first place. HIS accomplishments are HIS but it still goes back to the way the parents raised him. Read my goddamn post.

But when they make mistakes it will be blamed on you becaues you didn't raise them right!

So?

[Soviet]

The child is in control of himself, blame the person who is responsible.

[Loki Clock]

I believe that he has free will at every juncture and if he does something objectively fucked up it's not just his parents' fault. Sure, he could be pressured by society to, say, knife a gay, but his objective moral compass should tell him that it's not right to kill ANYBODY, and that if that's not right the people who say it's okay aren't right, either. If you're a pawn, it's your fault. If you do something objectively fucked up of your own accord then obviously it's entirely your fault by every reasoning.

[Pixelated Knife Clock]

If a kid fucks up in life, kick his ass, it always works

[Olive]

Everybody has their own mind. If somebody screws up sumthing its their fault. blame it on peer preasure, society, TV's Brainwashing. in the end its that person who chooses to submit to it. I'm a kid and when i screw up i dont go to my parents and say "Mom a failed math, You're a shitty parent" No. People all have their own minds (though some people tend to forget theirs) and your mistakes are your fault

[AlbinoClock]

SUPERDETERMINISM SAYS IM RIGHT SO FUCK YOU

[Orangina Clock]

Blame the kid

[Kodiakclock]

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[Go to hell, Clock Crew]

It depends on the situation. If the parents raise the kid right, where the kid can easily think for himself and make his own choices, let's say the kid experiments with drugs. It's the kid's fault then, the parent didn't do anything to cause him to experiment with drugs and ruin his own life. On the other hand, if he's abused as a younger child, it could leave him scarred for life, ruining many chances at a better life. If he messes up in life then, the blame could easily be pinned on the parents.

[SpinningCubeClock]

What does "fucking up in life" really mean? Is it just a social inomality? How is it real? How can we prove it exists? YOU ARE NOT REAL!

[MilkshakeClock]

God.

[TheCheshireClock]

Honestly, parents play a large part, but when it comes right down to it, it's all up to the person in question. I know someone who was raised horribly, but after adolescence he was able to pull through it fine.

[CeleriacClock]

I say its the child's fault he should control himself his parents won't be able to control him forever. But also the parent should be there to help the child and try to stop him him from going down that path in the first place because it must  be a hard one to recover from.

[Loki Clock]

Also for consideration, people's brains reach their full maturity (that doesn't mean their brains stop growing or learning, just like a retard's doesn't) at around 12 or 13, right at the onset of puberty. So at that point they really don't have a fucking excuse in my opinion, and their period for fucking up is, while acceptable in minor proportions and expected, still fully their fault. Said fucking up is the result of crossing over into the age where they're not expected to have someone make their decisions for them, because it's officially not their responsibility anymore. You'd fuck up as much as a teenager is supposed to or more if you'd been given that kind of responsibility for the self earlier.

[THE HELVETICA SCENARIO]

I always look at each individual case.
But more often than not I constantly see the parents simply could not give two fucks about what their children do and get very outraged if you ask them to reel in their out of control children as if you´ve just asked the impossible.  (Like asking them to keep their children from hitting one´s ill mother.)  That´s from personal experience...

That being said, the final choice about whether to be nice or be a total brat starts and ends with the individual and noone else. (Or at least I feel it should do)  If you´re old enough to understand right from wrong and you poke someone in the eye with a sharp stick, you´re an asshole.

And when they argue that it´s not them that´s nasty, it is only their upbringing, I just fucking rage.  Be better than your shitty upbringing and stop using your bad experiences to excuse your inexcusable behavior.

[THE HELVETICA SCENARIO]

Nevertheless, "If a kid fucks up in life" is totally a noteworthy thread.

Yes.

Honestly, parents play a large part, but when it comes right down to it, it's all up to the person in question. I know someone who was raised horribly, but after adolescence he was able to pull through it fine.

That´s pretty much it.
I think I feel now i´ve thought about it a little that I think I blame both the parents and the child for the child´s actions..

The parent a little for not raising them right (if they really did do shit, they might have tried their very best.)

But mostly the child for doing the wrong.