Which Presidential Candidate do you Support?

[Roman Collar Clock]

The standards have been lowered in a fanatic attempt to close the achievement gap between the races.  Funny that our education system thrived as a majority white country and sucks as a "multi cultural" country.  You should also note that the top three nations in terms of education were all homogeneous racially and culturally.

And I never said it was the best, just that it was better than a sub-saharan African education at the moment.

yep people living in horrible conditions in war-torn countries (caused by white people)

If you're blaming whites, you should at least blame Jews too.  They have a lot of power, money, and influence, and many of them live in white countries.  

Oh I forgot it's hate speech to assign to blame a minority but perfectly acceptable to blame the white majority.  Well when we become a minority in our own nation then maybe we can blame the mestizo majority.

[ChickenClock]

lmfao yes English, French and Dutch imperialists dividing Africa into however they deemed appropriate was all a jewish scheme to cause wars and control the media and also cause 9/11 and fake the holocaust.

[Marlin Clock]

If you're blaming whites, you should at least blame Jews too.  They have a lot of power, money, and influence, and many of them live in white countries.  

My fucking god, romancollar. The Jews have been trampled on for centuries, they just now have been coming above persecution.
I'm going to list as many things(may take a while) that are the fault of white europeans.
I'll try to be as chronological as possble.

Diaspora of the Jews(Romans)

Persecution of the Jews(Medieval Christians)

Diaspora and Enslavement of Blacks(W. Africans, Portugese, Spanish, English, American
)
Slaughter of the Native Americans(C/S.A.) particularly the Aztec and Inca(Spanish)

Slaughter of the Native Americans(N.A.)(English/Americans)

Colonization, Rape, and Destruction of Order in Africa.(English[mostly], french, Italian, Belgian, German, Spanish, Portugese)

Colonization, Domination of Asia(English, French, Spanish, Dutch, Belgian, Russian, Portugese, Italian, German, Japanese)

Cruel Exploitation of Migrant Workers(Rich Americans)

Persecution of Black Americans(White Americans)

WWI (40 million deaths world-wide)(Austrio-Hungary, Serbia) and the subsequent
Colonization and Betrayal of Middle East(English, French)


WWII(72 million not including the +12 million that suffered in camps)(Germans, Japanese)


White people have done a lot of shit, man.

[Slurpee]

i'm peter freakin griffin

[Roman Collar Clock]

Guys c'mon!  I've never defended white supremacism before.  I've never said that slavery or imperialism were great things either, or that whites should rule over or oppress other races.  However, stating past wrongs means nothing in this debate (we're arguing if historically white countries should remain white), unless you want to suggest that the white race should surrender its land and allow itself to fade away for its past sins.  I get the feeling some of you really do believe this, so just come out and say it if you do.

Now, let me challenge the assertion that Jews are absolutely incapable of oppression and have never, EVER committed any wrongs in their entire history.  Show of hands, who thinks that the American government is headed in the right direction?  Oh, nobody.  Big surprise there.  Now let's review the facts:

-Ethnic Jews make up roughly 3% of the American population.
-List of current Jewish Senators:

        Carl Levin    
     Arlen Specter       
     Frank Lautenberg    
     Herb Kohl        
     Joseph Lieberman    
     Dianne Feinstein       
     Barbara Boxer    
     Russ Feingold        
     Ron Wyden        
     Charles Schumer       
     Norm Coleman        
     Ben Cardin    
     Bernie Sanders

-That's 13 out of 100 senators.  Jews make up 13% of senators while only being 3% of the population.  I hope that proves to you Jews are capable of achieving more power than their numbers would suggest.  Still, Jews are a big part of the government and should share the blame alongside white politicians for the current state of affairs.

You guys need to get it out of your head that if a group has been abused before it is incapable of doing wrong.  It sounds impossible to you, but you should stop and think for a second why the Jews have been kicked out of almost every country in the world at one point in history.  You might come up with an answer besides, "All whites are evil bigots."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_politicians#Current_Senators

[Roman Collar Clock]

I like how you get all offended because of people criticizing white people. You'd think that someone who spends their entire time criticizing other races, you wouldn't flip out when someone criticized your race. I guess now you know what its like having people talk shit about you based on the colour of your skin. It's not very nice is it, and very baseless. Maybe you'll take that into consideration the next time you feel the need to say something like "black people are dumber than white people"? Probably not.

I'm upset whites are being criticized for all the wrong things, and that other races can't share blame.  I don't have a problem with blaming whites for things, because this whole multi cultural mess is our fault.  

If you want to say that white imperialism and slavery were wrong, then that's fine because they were.  It's when people make assertions like black Africa would be inventing planes and running international corporations exactly like us if it weren't for colonialism that I get peeved.

[YoYoClock]

Guys c'mon!  I've never defended white supremacism before.  I've never said that slavery or imperialism were great things either, or that whites should rule over or oppress other races.  However, stating past wrongs means nothing in this debate (we're arguing if historically white countries should remain white), unless you want to suggest that the white race should surrender its land and allow itself to fade away for its past sins.  I get the feeling some of you really do believe this, so just come out and say it if you do.

There are no countries belonging to white people you dumbass. sure they may be predominantely white, but the country belongs to whoever lives there for christ sake. you seem to think all the ethnicities in the world had a conferance and decided to try and take over this great white empire which you've made up. there are nnot groups of blacks and groups of whites. there are indivdual people. you can't blame "whites" for something that one white man does, you can't blame "jews" because you think 13 jews arent good senators. The reason for this is because whites and jews don't exist as a single entity. Believe it or not, a lot of people don't make their decisions based on their race and how they can they can get that race more power, which seems to be your only wacky agenda.

[Roman Collar Clock]

Why is it that when whites moved into countries belong to other races and set up bases of power they were invaders (which they were) but when mestizos or blacks or arabs move into a white country and set up bases of power they are viewed as innocent immigrants?  By your logic, it shouldn't have mattered that whites moved in and took control of other peoples across the globe because no country belongs to any particular race, just individual people.

[zl]

Why is it that when whites moved into countries belong to other races and set up bases of power they were invaders (which they were) but when mestizos or blacks or arabs move into a white country and set up bases of power they are viewed as innocent immigrants?  By your logic, it shouldn't have mattered that whites moved in and took control of other peoples across the globe because no country belongs to any particular race, just individual people.

I always thought it was more the murdering and subjugation of indigenous races that earned whites the title of "invaders," rather than having "bases of power."

[YoYoClock]

Why is it that when whites moved into countries belong to other races and set up bases of power they were invaders (which they were) but when mestizos or blacks or arabs move into a white country and set up bases of power they are viewed as innocent immigrants?  By your logic, it shouldn't have mattered that whites moved in and took control of other peoples across the globe because no country belongs to any particular race, just individual people.

Because immigrants coming into america, or england where I live, aren't putting together an army to set up a base in our countries so as to militarily overtake our country and claim our land as their own. They want a better place to live and be part of our countries. I see that as a major difference

[Roman Collar Clock]

Because immigrants coming into america, or england where I live, aren't putting together an army to set up a base in our countries so as to militarily overtake our country and claim our land as their own. They want a better place to live and be part of our countries. I see that as a major difference

Whites moved into Mexico as immigrant farmers and ended up taking a lot of territory from the Mexicans in the ensuing war.  The Zionist movement moved many ethnic Jews into Palestine as immigrants before and during WW2.  The Hebrews ended up taking part of Palestine as Israel and leaving the Pals a smaller bit of territory that still hasn't been recognized as a country to this day.  

Immigrants have caused countries to lose their territory before, and it can very well happen to us.

[Slurpee]

That happened in the dominican republic or jamaica or haiti or some shit they brought in a whole bunch of darkies and they just took the whole freaking entire place over and now those countries don't even have airports or rape laws.

[RomanClock]

even if you gave me a statistic that fit every single person of an entire race minus one, i will still hold that that one person alone disproves anything you said.

Thats a really stupid way to think, and I'm not talking about race. Thats like saying a rule doesn't apply because it didn't happen once. This makes me think of the "Well he did it so why can't I?" mentality of a child.

Also Triangle, I don't want to twist your words, but to me, it almost sounds like you want genocide of whites. PS: Since when were you're opinions so humble?

[RomanClock]

we're talking about genetics here. if it happens once, it can happen again. the one person with the one gene that goes against whatever stereotype bullshit you want to throw up destroys your stereotype altogether because a stereotype is supposed to apply to EVERYONE of that it mentions.

Black people are black.
Oops! Found an albino so that can't POSSIBLY be true!

[AbsintheClock]

yea black people arent actually black. there are many different shades of skin pigmentation. oops.

[RomanClock]

yea black people arent actually black. there are many different shades of skin pigmentation. oops.

I have yet to see a black person that isn't "black"
And I have yet to see a white person that isn't "white"

There are exceptions to rules but that doesn't mean the rule is nullified.

[Marlin Clock]

It sounds impossible to you, but you should stop and think for a second why the Jews have been kicked out of almost every country in the world at one point in history.

Okay.
(There obviously could be more, but these are the ones I know best about.)
1st time: Egyptians subjected the Israelites to back breaking labor.
For attempting to get their freedom, they eventually succeed, and eventually fight their way into the promise land.

2nd/3rd:The Macedonians and the Syrians invade and remove the Jewish people from Israel, and punish them for believing in God.

3rd time: For believing in their religion and outcrying Roman Authority the Jews are forcefully removed from Israel to be scattered far across the world from Europe to Ethiopia to India

4th time: Throughout the Middle Ages, corrupt Bishops and Nobility blame the Jews as scapegoats to various problems that arise from famine to the Plague, to keep the people's vengeance satisfied.

5th time: Hitler invades his neighboring countries and takes Jews from his and their lands to death camps where 6 million die horrifically with other "impure" peoples.

I don't see any righteous souls driving out an evil force with this.

And bear in mind that the nation of Israel would not exist if it weren't for the British, so blame them.

Why is it that when whites moved into countries belong to other races and set up bases of power they were invaders (which they were) but when mestizos or blacks or arabs move into a white country and set up bases of power they are viewed as innocent immigrants?  By your logic, it shouldn't have mattered that whites moved in and took control of other peoples across the globe because no country belongs to any particular race, just individual people.

I don't see a mexican guy going to my home and saying "This house belongs to the nation of Mexico because we're mexican and therefore superior."

[AbsintheClock]

Any further discussion of race in this thread will result in a month long ban. I'm not fucking around.

[RomanClock]

So guys, about that McCain character...

[AvocadoClock]

So guys, about that McCain character...

Why should I ever vote for that guy?
He would spend a 100 years in Iraq.

*puke