Oh good, Windows 7 is trash too.

[buttplug]

i will stay with xp until the bitter end

I will laugh at you with my sexy 64 bit OS.

[Honorable Chairman]

I will laugh at you with my sexy 64 bit OS.

OH FUCK PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET ARE LAUGHING AT ME I AM GOING TO KILL MYSELF AAAAAARGGG!!!!!

[Honorable Chairman]

not really.

[screwdriver_clock]

Well, by that token, why extoll it? I think people also spoke highly of the Vista beta.
 
Let's just hope it doesn't lose focus.

The problem with the Vista beta,  is that they released the code to hardware manufacturers a little too late. Because of that, lots of graphics cards and other hardware were given drivers that were faulty because the companies had to meet deadlines, and in turn it caused the OS to fault up. That and the issues with hardware indexing and some processes which SHOULD of been optional, left the system crippled. Windows 7 has shut off many of the processes which became the resource hogs, and left them in as a option for the end user to set up if they desire to, giving fair warning of any slowdown they might or might not experience. As for the driver issues, many drivers now for Vista have finally matured, and work better than many of the XP drivers for the same hardware (ask me about my Integrated GPU). These drivers work in Windows 7, and new ones are being made to further push forward with compatibility with the new OS.
 
As for losing focus, they've not stopped pushing speed and reliability on this one. They've skimped out on adding "50 NEW FEATURES HOLY SHIT" and went for working on what they already have and tweaking what doesn't work. Sounds sort of familiar to anyone watching OS X Snow Leopard.

[screwdriver_clock]

ye honestly ive been using Vista for 2 months now and literally the only issue is that one little box that pops up whenever i start up saying UAC is off but its not even noticeable. other than that i see no reason to say its worse than XP.
 
im also fairly certain that the trend of working out the bugs over time will make windows 7 even better than xp and vista

They removed that popup in 7. When you shut it off, it lets you know the implications, but after that its done bothering you.
 
Also, change thread title to "Biased reporters use mis-information to debate the quality of Windows 7". Seems fitting. Because seriously:
 
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/oh-the-humanity-windows-7s-draconian-drm.ars
 
If you just took the time to read another side of the story, from a source that has a few more balanced articles rather than blindly promoting Linux's own "flavor" of FUD, you'd see how ridiculous the statments the articlewriter from your story made.

[screwdriver_clock]

Also, change thread title to "Biased reporters use mis-information to debate the quality of Windows 7". Seems fitting.

[screwdriver_clock]

Because seriously:
 
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/02/oh-the-humanity-windows-7s-draconian-drm.ars
 
If you just took the time to read another side of the story, from a source that has a few more balanced articles rather than blindly promoting Linux's own "flavor" of FUD, you'd see how ridiculous the statments the articlewriter from your story made.

[joliet_jane]

With regard to media files, the days of capturing an audio program on your PC seem to be over (if the program originated on that PC). The inputs of your sound card are severely degraded in software if the card is also playing an audio program (tested here with Grooveshark). This may be the tip of the iceberg. Being in bed with the RIAA is bad enough, but locking your own files away from you is a tactic so outrageous it may kill the OS for many persons. Many users will not want to experiment with a second sound card or computer just to record from online sources, or boot up under a Linux that supports ntfs-3g just to control their files.

This is something that would drive me insane if I had to deal with it.

[screwdriver_clock]

This is something that would drive me insane if I had to deal with it.

Thankfully you don't as if you read just above your post, those accusations were made by someone who doesn't want to do anything but be biased.

[AlbinoClock]

It still has PUMA and PVP, which fucking suck.

[screwdriver_clock]

It still has PUMA and PVP, which fucking suck.

Until you've tried the OS, and actually used it yourself, I'd be quiet. I've used it since they first released the open beta, and I haven't turned back. It is the best operating system I've EVER used. In my opinion, with this and IE8's ability to boast being the most secure browser, Windows is doing pretty good to get back on its feet.

[SpectrAlertAdvance]

What the fuck?
I love Windows 7. But Macs are better than Microcrap Winshit. nigga

[screwdriver_clock]

What the fuck?
I love Windows 7. But Macs are better than Microcrap Winshit. nigga

http://clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?t=20691
 
Please read the rules, it'd do you and the other members of this site a service.

[Beret]

mmmm I don't know if I should use it. I'm happy with Vista right now.

[AlbinoClock]

Until you've tried the OS, and actually used it yourself, I'd be quiet. I've used it since they first released the open beta, and I haven't turned back. It is the best operating system I've EVER used. In my opinion, with this and IE8's ability to boast being the most secure browser, Windows is doing pretty good to get back on its feet.

I don't need to use it to know that PUMA and PVP do what they're designed to do. I'd like to be able to record whatever I damn well please, I don't need DRM  built into my OS. Even your pro-7 article admits the existence of PUMA and PVP, which are a definite barrier to allowing you to do whatever you damn well please with the information you possess. Now it may well be that they're only preventing illegal activities, but I don't give a shit. It's my computer, and I ought to be able to be as unlawful as I like with it. I'm not about to install an OS that reduces my usage of my machine.

Now if I find out that it's somehow possible to disable PUMA and PVP, I'd perhaps once again consider giving it a shot, but until then, I'm not interested in working in an intentionally limited environment.

[screwdriver_clock]

I don't need to use it to know that PUMA and PVP do what they're designed to do. I'd like to be able to record whatever I damn well please, I don't need DRM  built into my OS. Even your pro-7 article admits the existence of PUMA and PVP, which are a definite barrier to allowing you to do whatever you damn well please with the information you possess. Now it may well be that they're only preventing illegal activities, but I don't give a shit. It's my computer, and I ought to be able to be as unlawful as I like with it. I'm not about to install an OS that reduces my usage of my machine.

Now if I find out that it's somehow possible to disable PUMA and PVP, I'd perhaps once again consider giving it a shot, but until then, I'm not interested in working in an intentionally limited environment.

Most of what you're looking at does it in their own programs to avoid lawsuits on their behalf. Say I bought a copy of The Dark Knight. I open Windows Media Player, and try to rip the dvd. Windows notices that the dvd is protected by a DRM, and they refused to let you rip it; in their program. Open up the freeware DVD ripper I downloaded (and found on live.com), and I can rip it in minutes. As for what happened to the person with his 1337 photoshop crack, what most likely happened is he had it run a process that the Windows UAC probably recognized as a process likened to a virus. My guess is he had the UAC on the highest settings to make this "unbiased" review of his, on the most Windows loving site, Slashdot.com. Of course at this point you're noticing my seething sarcasm on that, seeing as they're quite the opposite. As for calling Ars technica a pro Windows site, they deal quite a bit of dirt on Windows themselves, however they don't throw bullshit around.

[zl]

Of course at this point you're noticing my seething sarcasm on that, seeing as they're quite the opposite.

I did notice some seething sarcasm, yeah!

[screwdriver_clock]

I did notice some seething sarcasm, yeah!

I dont know why, but no matter what you say I can't help but adore every post by you ^^

[screwdriver_clock]

Okay guys this is a thread about this operating system. Discuss.
 
disclaimer: you are not to talk about the operating system itself, but instead about how everyone else should not talk about what they know nothing about, insinuating that you know more than they do.

Interesting point! Who here has actually tried the OS?

[The Spoiler]

Most of what you're looking at does it in their own programs to avoid lawsuits on their behalf. Say I bought a copy of The Dark Knight. I open Windows Media Player, and try to rip the dvd. Windows notices that the dvd is protected by a DRM, and they refused to let you rip it; in their program. Open up the freeware DVD ripper I downloaded (and found on live.com), and I can rip it in minutes. As for what happened to the person with his 1337 photoshop crack, what most likely happened is he had it run a process that the Wi ndows UAC probably recognized as a process likened to a virus. My guess is he had the UAC on the highest settings to make this "unbiased" review of his, on the most Windows loving site, Slashdot.com. Of course at this point you're noticing my seething sarcasm on that, seeing as they're quite the opposite. As for calling Ars technica a pro Windows site, they deal quite a bit of dirt on Windows themselves, however they don't throw bullshit around.

Are you even paying attention to the posts any more? He isn't talking about whether there exist ways to copy media, but about the fact that Microsoft is actively working against it own users to prevent them from using media that they have the rights to. While I believe your DVD Ripper worked, the chances are they had to do a shitload of work to circumvent the DRM. It's the fact the Microsoft is putting up obstacles, not whether they can be destroyed, that matters. You should also keep in mind all the Trusted Computing bullshit. Although (to the best of my knowledge) it is mostly unimplemented on Windows 7, this is the kind of stuff that leads down that road (hence calling Windows 7 a piece of trash).

And why the attacks on Linux? Like Corpsegrinder said and you quoted, this is about whether or not Windows 7 is any good, not your irrelevant whining about another OS (which I assume were a failed attempt to make Albino look bad). Sure, Slashdot is biased, but look at yourself. Seriously.

Don't pull your "use it before you diss it" remark, either. IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, Microsoft is no longer offering downloads of the beta, and I'm not in the mood to "borrow" a copy.

Maybe Albino (as well as the slashdot poster) was overhyping, but he's got a valid point. Windows 7 has built in DRM, and that's something that's going to keep me from touching it until the hardware companies stop shipping XP drivers ( unless WINE gets a lot  better by then, in which case I would likely ditch Redmond completely, but that's another story). Either admit the facts, get a defense that isn't a load of bullshit, or shut your trap. Ok?