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[Losperman]

I really enjoyed Burton's interpretation of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.

Mike Teavee would criticize any elements that defied real world logic and would be shut down quickly, often with a retort as simple as "mumbler!" by Willy Wonka.

Yeah, I liked it as well. I don't many people that do, though. It seems pretty cool to hate Tim Burton nowadays, though.

[Kombucha]

Burton's cool.

The only movie he's been involved in that I've seen but can't really remember liking anything about it was Planet of the Apes. Everything else has been at worst bad but had a few cool things in it like Alice in Wonderland and at best fucking incredible like Beetlejuice and The Nightmare Before Christmas (I know he wasn't there much for the actual making of the movie but shut uppppsdfsfd).

[Slurpee]

too drunk to structure a single coherent statement so I'm gonna ribs clock this a little

This is from a few pages back now, but I feel like I should reply.

One of the sure signs of a good story is engagement. When you get lost in a story, whatever medium, you are being engaged. There are many things that can break this engagement. When a character acts in a way that seems contrary to what you'd think. When the author's intent becomes too obvious. When there's a continuity error on film. And when the movie logic breaks down.

These all seem like little things that shouldn't affect our engagement. They seem like minor quibbles. But in my opinion, it's a sign of an investigative, active mind.

Every story sets up a sort of "universe" very early on in the story and it tells us what can and can't happen in the plot. Some stories' universes closely imitate real life whereas others set up their own, but what's important is that there are strong rules, so there can be strong conflicts.

Now there are two different ways you can scoff at movie scenes. The first is to complain when things happen in the movie that can't happen in real life. "Hey people can't fly, how is superman flying?" That's just being an asshole.

But if something happens in a story that breaks the mold of the set up universe and the viewer notices it, that's gonna break their engagement whether they like it or not, and if it's significant enough, the story will be weaker. And as an audience member I am perfectly justified to like the story less and bitch out the writer if my engagement is broken. That doesn't mean I WILL. It depends.

If we're talking about pure entertainment, then who gives a shit about all of this! I'm just in it for fun! But a good story really shouldn't have too many major logic breakers.

yes.
in fact I think internal logic is actually more important than you put across and I don't think there is such a thing as pure entertainment absent internal logic
I believe with any narrative there are always if not contextual then thematic reasons that something is entertaining
even a story deliberately absent internal logic will have its reasons for being so and people who enjoy it will enjoy it for a reason beyond pure viscerality not sure if that's a word I just attached a nominalization suffix to visceral

For your batman example, they could've achieved that theme without the ninja castle in the first place. Or they could just come up with a plot device!

And as for your X-men example, those are two different stories that aren't entirely cannon.

Batman: yes. I could have written batman begins without the ninja castle and, fabulous though I am, I am no David s goyer or Christopher Nolan. it was there for a reason and it was swept into the background for a reason.

X-men: yes they're not entirely canonical but that's exactly my point. the prequel contradicts one of the movies it's prequeling.
none of the men in black movies, to change tact, are completely compatable beginning to end with any of the other ones, but it doesn't matter because the continuity is loose. the internal logic is reestablished for each film- it doesn't and needn't carry across the entire franchise.


for any narrative entertainment you have to give the audience room to take the ball and run with it for it to have any real emotional or intellectual resonance, be that room narrative or otherwise
sometimes the holes you leave for that purpose will damage the internal logic
and a creator can ignore ameliorate or erase that damage during the creative process

but some things just are not and need not be the creator's concern
there is a line where neither creator nor entertainee should get tripped up because the answer really just is that it's not real
why do the vampires in twilight glow? because vampires don't exist.
who killed the assassins in godfather part ii? they needed to be dead for the plot to move forward.
how did the millennium falcon get from hoth to bespin with a damaged hyperdrive? the goddamned power of friendship
a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds
or, if you like, it's just a show, I should really just relax

we tell stories to communicate something by way of demonstrating it narratively
because even if a child can't understand the logistical reasons we shouldn't trust strangers offering an easy way out, or an adult can't find a way to articulate it for a child's mind, they can both sympathize with and understand little red riding hood and what it meansfor her when things go tits up
the narrative has to remain consistent only insofar as to allow the audience room to internalize
if the story has a problem with its internal logic that directly interferes with the message-by-way-of-narrative-metaphor, then yes, problem
if it has a problem with its internal logic but the narrative, the message, the theme, is sound? fuck it, mission accomplished

[RobClock]

i like your drawing, btw. looks like your form is improving. 10/10.

Aww shucks

[Losperman]

I love this song a lot. And I miss this show.

[Losperman]

I really don't like writing 14 page research papers. What I like even less is finishing a 14 page research paper and feeling like I really missed the mark. Damn.

[Losperman]

I just proofread it and I suppose it's not as terrible as I thought. Still needs a ton of work, though.

Sleep time.

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[bigbadron]

so Joey, play Minecraft yet?

[pop-tart]

who's this? was he in a movie?

what, did you grow up in cave or something ?

great drawing rob but u forgot the lightning scar on his forehead

[FamineClock]

Bitches, I'm flaming fabelous.

[d u m p y]

lol

[Losperman]

so Joey, play Minecraft yet?

Nope. Not even done with Skyrim.

[clockradioclock]

what, did you grow up in cave or something ?

great drawing rob but u forgot the lightning scar on his forehead

[bigbadron]

Nope. Not even done with Skyrim.

i'm bringing it with me if Gari and i visit you.

[pop-tart]

http://www.jibjab.com/view/JBoH8janS5GIjySbg1tMZQ

[AmberArachnidClock]

http://www.jibjab.com/view/JBoH8janS5GIjySbg1tMZQ

that is hilarious. But I can only imagine how creepy that would be with an actual face

[Losperman]

i'm bringing it with me if Gari and i visit you.

Awesomeness. I can't wait for winter break.

[bigbadron]

[EvilBeanClock]

this one's goin in my reaction images folder

[bigbadron]