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Farted by Losperman, November 01, 2005, 01:26:35 AM

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writing papers is painful. one rough draft due tomorrow (why a rough draft??? just let me write last minute, ugh). one full paper due tuesday (analyzing graphiation in Scott Pilgrim and My Most Secret Desire). Tuesday's paper is kind of fun but I don't have enough time to really enjoy it. It'll have to be rushed.
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Losperman

Quote from: clockradioclock;1931921writing papers is painful.

I like writing papers when they're finished. Starting them is pretty horrible, though.

Quoteone rough draft due tomorrow (why a rough draft??? just let me write last minute, ugh).

Yeah, I hate "rough drafts." I've had a couple of professors that not only require them, but also require that "significant" changes be made by your second draft. I spend a lot of time on my first drafts, so I hardly ever have to make major changes to revised copies. I ended up purposely making large errors or leaving things out of my first drafts in those classes. Fuck da police.

Quoteone full paper due tuesday (analyzing graphiation in Scott Pilgrim and My Most Secret Desire). Tuesday's paper is kind of fun but I don't have enough time to really enjoy it. It'll have to be rushed.

That does sound fun, but I know what you mean about being rushed with papers that you actually want to write. I am handing in a final paper that I won't have nearly enough time to dedicate to (I think I mentioned it earlier in this thread. It's about sexual representation in comic books. The research was fun. ;)).
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Losperman

Quote from: clockradioclock;1931922rip one of the weasley twins. so sad : (

I wasn't so sad about it until I read the books.
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Quote from: Losperman;1931924I like writing papers when they're finished. Starting them is pretty horrible, though.
haha, that's much closer to what I meant to say. Also, didn't mean to dismiss your pain in reviewing peer papers. I've never had to do it, so I'm not sure what it's like yet. good luck!

Quote from: Losperman;1931924Yeah, I hate "rough drafts." I've had a couple of professors that not only require them, but also require that "significant" changes be made by your second draft. I spend a lot of time on my first drafts, so I hardly ever have to make major changes to revised copies. I ended up purposely making large errors or leaving things out of my first drafts in those classes. Fuck da police.
Yep. I'm stuck in the same situation. I've had to do this once before, and I decided to get really informal by the end of the draft. Like, "I'm not really expressing what I mean to discuss here. I'm being rushed and I'm sure I'll alter my thesis in two days' time." This is usually a prof's nightmare, as far as I know, but the people I'm dealing with are good humoured and they appreciate the honesty. Why should they bother to correct/review a rough draft I don't care about? We'll just arrange an appointment and discuss ideas there anyway.

Quote from: Losperman;1931924That does sound fun, but I know what you mean about being rushed with papers that you actually want to write. I am handing in a final paper that I won't have nearly enough time to dedicate to (I think I mentioned it earlier in this thread. It's about sexual representation in comic books. The research was fun. ;)).
Ha, that does sound fun. Are you focusing on text and narrative alone or are you considering visual aesthetic as well? Comic book discussion is tricky for Lit students since we're mostly trained to consider the written word only. Took a mind-opening Canadian Fiction class this semester and he had us playing a video game (Sword and Sworcery), reading hypermedia, "non-reading" comic books, sci-fi, and a whole bunch of other stuff involving transmedia. Turns out there's more to a book than the text/narrative itself. Covers, publishers, materiality all matter too.
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Quote from: Losperman;1931926I wasn't so sad about it until I read the books.

yeah p much this. I read the entire series in like 2-3 weeks this september. heartbroken :(
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It taints everything beautiful I see :(

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Losperman

Quote from: clockradioclock;1931927haha, that's much closer to what I meant to say. Also, didn't mean to dismiss your pain in reviewing peer papers. I've never had to do it, so I'm not sure what it's like yet. good luck!

No worries, sir, I didn't take it as a dismissal. I'm surprised you haven't had to do it yet. I've run into it mostly in creative writing classes, but at least a couple of my technical writing classes have done it. This semester it's Fiction Writing and Advanced Essay Composition.

QuoteYep. I'm stuck in the same situation. I've had to do this once before, and I decided to get really informal by the end of the draft. Like, "I'm not really expressing what I mean to discuss here. I'm being rushed and I'm sure I'll alter my thesis in two days' time." This is usually a prof's nightmare, as far as I know, but the people I'm dealing with are good humoured and they appreciate the honesty. Why should they bother to correct/review a rough draft I don't care about? We'll just arrange an appointment and discuss ideas there anyway.

Well it's good to hear you have flexible professors, then. Mine were, too (the ones that required drafts, anyway). I always hate when I get teachers that I like that have weird quirks that I don't like.


QuoteHa, that does sound fun. Are you focusing on text and narrative alone or are you considering visual aesthetic as well? Comic book discussion is tricky for Lit students since we're mostly trained to consider the written word only. Took a mind-opening Canadian Fiction class this semester and he had us playing a video game (Sword and Sworcery), reading hypermedia, "non-reading" comic books, sci-fi, and a whole bunch of other stuff involving transmedia. Turns out there's more to a book than the text/narrative itself. Covers, publishers, materiality all matter too.

That class sounds freaking awesome. We watched a film and listened to a few songs in a lit class I had last semester, but that's about it as far as non-traditional literature goes. That professor did say that he sometimes includes a graphic novel in his line-up, but failed to do so that semester. That would have been fun.

And I'm focusing mostly on visual aesthetic, but with some discussion of roles, titles, and powers.
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Quote from: FamineClock;1931931Also sometimes when I see pretty women on TV or in movies, I think "That woman has probably had analsex at least once in her life".

It taints everything beautiful I see :(

Heh. Taints. I get it.
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Quote from: Losperman;1931934No worries, sir, I didn't take it as a dismissal. I'm surprised you haven't had to do it yet. I've run into it mostly in creative writing classes, but at least a couple of my technical writing classes have done it. This semester it's Fiction Writing and Advanced Essay Composition.

Well it's good to hear you have flexible professors, then. Mine were, too (the ones that required drafts, anyway). I always hate when I get teachers that I like that have weird quirks that I don't like.

That class sounds freaking awesome. We watched a film and listened to a few songs in a lit class I had last semester, but that's about it as far as non-traditional literature goes. That professor did say that he sometimes includes a graphic novel in his line-up, but failed to do so that semester. That would have been fun.

And I'm focusing mostly on visual aesthetic, but with some discussion of roles, titles, and powers.

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about quirky professors: cognitive dissonance? Want to like, but cannot like. Still like.

Visual aesthetic is the way to go, i think, when it comes to comics (graphic novels?).
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oh and yeah, I haven't had a single creative writing class yet. that probably explains my lack of experience.
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Losperman

Quote from: clockradioclock;1931936Visual aesthetic is the way to go, i think, when it comes to comics (graphic novels?).

Yeah, if I had more time it would be interesting to write a different paper (or add a large section to the current paper) on the differences between how characters are written and how they're portrayed through the art.
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Quote from: Losperman;1931938Yeah, if I had more time it would be interesting to write a different paper (or add a large section to the current paper) on the differences between how characters are written and how they're portrayed through the art.

that was actually a hot topic in some of the papers (1993 to 2008, so i don't know how "hot") I read while preparing for this essay. I think Scott McCloud discusses the ways in which text and image often interact:

Word specific (words are dominant)
Picture specific (pictures are dominant)
Duo-specific (both words and pictures convey the same meaning)
Additive (words add significant meaning)
Parallel (words and pictures tell different but parallel stories)
Montage (words are integral to the picture)
Interdependent (both work together to tell a story neither could tell alone)

If you'd like to read more about this stuff, his book was "Understanding Comics: The Invisible Art." A comic about comics. It's not as in-depth as many other works on the subject, but it covers a lot of ground in a very easy to read format.
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Losperman

Quote from: clockradioclock;1931942that was actually a hot topic in some of the papers (1993 to 2008, so i don't know how "hot") I read while preparing for this essay. I think Scott McCloud discusses the ways in which text and image often interact:

Word specific (words are dominant)
Picture specific (pictures are dominant)
Duo-specific (both words and pictures convey the same meaning)
Additive (words add significant meaning)
Parallel (words and pictures tell different but parallel stories)
Montage (words are integral to the picture)
Interdependent (both work together to tell a story neither could tell alone)

If you'd like to read more about this stuff, his book was "Understanding Comics: The Invisible Art." A comic about comics. It's not as in-depth as many other works on the subject, but it covers a lot of ground in a very easy to read format.

Huh. That really does sound interesting. I'll have to add it to the ol' reading list.
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