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[PhantomCatClock]

the last time i gave lump $100 all she did was sit alone in a boggy marsh

[Slurpee]

look at how strong Big E is
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holy mackerel

guys!

guys you're not looking!

[GreyClock]

In a certain light you can see inside your cat's eyeballs. It's weird.

[Slurpee]

what do you mean inside? I don't have a cat that I could check this with

[RobClock]

Big E sure is a big guy

[Slurpee]

Big E sure is a big guy

did you see the video I posted of how strong he is?

[Slurpee]

I tried to find a gif of it but instead google gave me this gif of him taunting otis dozovic from heavy machinery, which is good, because #1 look at these two wide boys

and #2 it reminded me to point out that otis is OBVIOUSLY CHRIS FARLEY WHAT THE FUCK
I don't know how you faked your death for 20 years and why you would resurface now, doing this ridiculous pro wrestler character, chris farley, but how could you possibly think that we wouldn't recognize you, the beloved snl comedian and comedic film actor from our childhoods, chris farley

[Slurpee]

when ur mom says she's ordering pizza for dinner

[Slurpee]

oh my god when did seth rollins kill randy orton

[RobClock]

Big E sure is a big guy

did you see the video I posted of how strong he is?

Yep p strong I must say

[patriotclock]

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I'm bad with faces, does this not quite look like jim carrey, or is it just me?


I think I identify people partially by posture, body language, etc., so this doesn't register as jim to me, but it's also not quite jack nimblesmith, either, it's just like a totally new person who does not exist

it's kind of cool, it's like watching spanish dracula. just this slightly different version of the thing you know

looks like Jim to me

[PhantomCatClock]

whatis your favoruteitet disney song my is chip skylark - shiny teeth and me

[Slurpee]

I recently realized that Winds in the East from Mary Poppins has a really similar melody to the theme song from Over the Garden Wall and I'm kind of quietly obsessed with how eery-whimsical they both are and how well they pair together

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also I'm aware winds in the east is the same melody as chim chim chiree but winds in the east is legitimately pretty ominous, and nobody thinks of chim chim chiree as spooky

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

I really liked this part of icky vicky










I should watch over the garden wall

[PhantomCatClock]

that reminds me, your thoughts on thieves and honor among them?


not like the song was stolen it was a pretty long chain of marginally related thoughts and i really don't want to get into it

[RobClock]

whatis your favoruteitet disney song my is chip skylark - shiny teeth and me

Zero to Hero or maybe Bare Necessities

[PhantomCatClock]

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i said disney you trolll

[PhantomCatClock]

nice shitpost

[Slurpee]

that reminds me, your thoughts on thieves and honor among them?

I would expect that many people steal or have stolen, but don't consider themselves "thieves", the same way many people lie but wouldn't consider themselves "liars". so what are we talking about when we talk about thieves? somebody who steals for a living? or maybe steals compulsively, without thought of it?

I think the idea of there being "no honor among thieves" is that once somebody has demonstrated their noncompliance with one moral limitation, it would be reasonable to expect their noncompliance with others, but that raises the question of from where an individual derives their morality

I think most people know the difference between right and wrong, whether they know they know it or not. the only reason it ever doesn't seem that way is that humans are also very, very good at making excuses to ourselves. the way a killer might draw a line at killing women or children, or how, in prison, pedophiles are targeted by the other inmates, we all lie to ourselves every day about our complicity or complacency with things we know are wrong. I think any top-down sense of morality, like laws, taboos, and adherence to authority and tradition, primarily exist to reconcile disparate individual moralities (that are each compromised by each constituent's powerful ability to self-justify). social morality, what freud called the superego, is there so we can exist as a society without having to worry about being hurt by the people who are better at (or for whatever reason more willing to engage in) justifying their own bad behavior to themselves

opposition to thievery, then, is part of the social contract, an agreement we tacitly make to suspend the individual liberty to act only in response to our own moral compass and acknowledge some objective, universal rules that exist to prevent behaviors we'd all hate to see from others, even if we might be quite content to engage in them ourselves (jerking off in public, for instance) some extant hunter-gatherer tribes, for example, have no concept of possession, and therefore no concept of theft. to see somebody within a society, a thief, transgress those boundaries, is frightening, because the social contract has failed. that doesn't mean it's been disregarded entirely, but that possibility is now on the table. where are the limits?

well, in spite of everything, we still draw those for ourselves. I have seen a meth addict bristle at being called a "crackhead". the notion that they smoked crack was offensive. smoking crystal was something they could justify to themselves, but they drew a line at crack. going back to the killer who won't hurt women or children, and the prisoners who hate pedophiles- if you don't have some code of conduct, some lines you will not cross, then you condemn yourself to exile. no society, however low, however fringe, would harbor you

I'm not an anarchist in any sense, but I do think the anarchist philosophers are at the very least absolutely right about at least one concept: if you put a couple hundred people on an island, and take away the laws, take away the authority, take away the consequences, heck, take away the shared language? they'll be fine.
in spite of what zombie movies and the evening news would tell you, society is humankind's natural state. we gravitate toward it. every person wants to exist in a functioning society just as badly as every myopic soldier of the status quo is terrified of losing it. somebody on that island knows a little more about medicine than everyone else. someone is strong, somebody knows about construction, somebody can hunt, somebody can fish, somebody knows how to filter water, or frighten predators. if we were in the apocalypse right now, and you found a pharmacist, what would you do? rob and murder him? no. you'd probably trade with him, protect him, work to get his trust, because his knowledge is necessary to keep people you know alive. the people on the island would help each other. they'd protect the knowledge, they'd subdue any lunatics. it's what we do. it's what human beings do. we're a social species, down to the bone. language? that's what creole languages are: ad-hoc forms of communication between people with no formal understanding of each other's tongue, developed out of necessity. (hell, give it enough time, and that's where languages come from period.)
young societies can certainly tend toward primitive, even barbaric solutions to the problems a society must face, but the longer any given society prospers, the more likely they are to address those problems for the betterment of everybody within that society. of course there are always bastards, but by and large it's not lack of law, rather extreme circumstances that pushes people to desperate acts. that island of a couple hundred people? imagine it again, start from scratch, but this time, keep the laws, keep the authority, keep the consequences, keep the shared language... and take away the food. all hell would break loose

so, to get back to the question, it seems to me that to ask whether there can be honor among thieves, is to ask if the solitary societal custom of respecting individual ownership can be violated with there still existing a shared sense of morality, and the answer seems obvious



(I would submit, in fact, that the most barbaric, unconscionable acts in recorded history, the most extreme cases of man's inhumanity to man, are seldom the work of an individual disregarding societal morals, rather, societies convincing individuals to disregard their own morals, because when those societal morals are nudged, smudged, redrawn, redefined, to the exclusion of the humanity of certain subsets of people, inhuman acts can be carried out without question. this is why every great moral leader from jesus christ to john cusack's character in con air has stressed the importance of how we treat the least among us)

not like the song was stolen it was a pretty long chain of marginally related thoughts and i really don't want to get into it

it's very hard to guess the path you took to get there from the outside tbh

Zero to Hero

I wasn't crazy about the gospel approach they took for hercules, but I really really like meg's song
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it's like a motown ditty, I would legit just listen to this for pleasure

i said disney you trolll

sorry

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

you could maybe come back from meth. nobody comes back from crack.