You Mods need to unclinch your fists a bit

[YoYoClock]

but this thread is FULL of people who had no idea that cadillac couldn't ban people, and blaming him and biggs (who btw has zero temporary bans in the system right now) for some imagined oppressive banning spree. I'll restate that: cadillac, who couldn't ban people, and biggs, who hasn't banned anybody for nearly 2 weeks, are being blamed for banning too often.
it says to me the vocal complainers are not even paying nearly enough attention to what's actually going on to be making a qualitative (accusatory) judgement call.
that's point 1.

point 2 is there's no satisfactory link between the state of the staff and the state of individual activity. it's an unfair cognitive leap, brought up in the first post, from a lack of user activity to bad staff policy. we're a flash group. where is the causal connection? we're not supreme overlords of everything you do. it's fucking boogyman bullshit. why is not being free to make threads like this inhibiting your production?
it's like prop said: this is not the clock crew, it's a forum.
if something here is causing you to stop producing, you can just not come here. that's what grey did. effectively the only thing we can do as a staff regarding production is either spur it or not spur it.

point 3: there's no populist interest in these complaints. on this side of the fence, besides caddy, dwarf, and biggs, we've got peyote and maybe wii saying we're not being hard enough, nintendo saying we're doing fine, plus fireman, english, and weenie roast, at a cursory glance. that's 9 people not counting myself or anybody who didn't make a strong assertion either way, versus what appears, again, at a cursory glance, to be tequila and prop complaining about things that happened specifically to them, harmony complaining about three people (biggs caddy and clam), who have a collective zero temporary bans in the system supposedly banning people too much, and chalk "one 2-year-old flash movie under his belt" clock complaining about a lack of activity while assiduously NOT involving himself in any capacity, with flash of the month, cca, nanowrimo, or the upcoming flash flood or bill murray week. do the words "vocal minority" mean anything to you?

the only conclusion I can draw is that this is 4 or possibly 5 people taking complete bunk and blowing it out of proportion.
the rapidity with which you, yoyo, slingshotted from ambivalence as to the quality of the moderating staff and general disapproval at the state of site activity to here, where now you're saying there's this huge disconnect between the staff and the userbase and we're lording it over you and ruining it for new members and we all need to come together and make big changes- it's a pretty good metaphor for the root cause of the unrest, and this thread overall: general despondence leading to unrest, and misplaced blame.

if the staff responses in this thread seem needlessly arrogant or aggressive, it's because this shit has been apparent to all of us for the entire thread and we've been alternatively laughing and groaning about how ridiculous it is, while you guys type up these essays that I'm probably the only one who even bothers to read (let far and alone bother explaining the reality of the situation in response.)

so who then, exactly, needs to unclench?

I appreciate that you took the time to write that and i did read it all.

I wanna clarify, the reason my post shows no particular examples and is vague and seems like it's based on nothing is because it's more based on a feeling. I can take an example from the link you posted to the thread I made title "i'm a nigga". I didn't make that thread, my brother did logged into my account and I received a weeks ban for it. iirc correctly dwarfinator banned me and it was a just ban based on what he knew. In an ideal cc I would have felt comfortable with asking Dwarf nicely to be unbanned, explaining the situation because I at least feel that if I had mentioned it at all my ban would just have been arbitrarily extended.

I am guilty of blowing this out of proportion as you mention and I'm sorry for doing so, I just get fired up pretty easily over nothing and then i suppose I'm just as bad as anybody who bans unfairly(if and when they ever do).

Addressing your point about the leap between dismal state of affairs here and the staff being thin, i also agree and attribute this accusation to my getting fired up. What I mean to say is that in a clockcrew that isn't very fun, there are lots of problems causing it, mainly lack of flash produce(persoanally) and perceived lack of active members. I still think that the attitude conveyed that a ban can never be contested adds to this and is a problem. regardless I understand that it's not the biggest problem we have a isnt directly related to the poor state of the clock crew as a whole

I also want to clarify that when I said mods or staff previously i was mostly referring to just dwarf or biggs, but I must confess that is probably just because I don't really like them, based on the way i feel they treat complaints about anything. I take your point that biggs has no temp bans in the system, I should have looked it up, but put forward that this whole thread could have been avoided if he or somebody else had just said that at the start of the thread.

I understand that my opinion may be in the vocal minority and so have tried to refrain from speaking for other people, or blowing this out of proportion in this post.

I'm just as frustrated as everyone seems to be I suppose. This is a cool place and we're all mostly a bunch of lazy shits who want it to be cool again without doing much and I'm as guilty of that as anyone. Please ignore all of the last post that seemed like a personal attack or frustration and try and take from it that I just want this place to be friendly again where if there's a problem with anything we can talk to any and all members of staff and other members of the cc about it and work together to fix it.

You may say that is still true of now but I don't get that feeling and if it is the case then can we all work a bit harder to make it known?

Jeez this is why I always refrained from posting essays, I just get carried away

[HotPocketClock]

(Obviously I'm a little late here but..)

I like to think of the staff as stern. Stern, but fair.

Lol Jackass

[DWARFINATORclock]

I also want to clarify that when I said mods or staff previously i was mostly referring to just dwarf or biggs, but I must confess that is probably just because I don't really like them, based on the way i feel they treat complaints about anything. I take your point that biggs has no temp bans in the system, I should have looked it up, but put forward that this whole thread could have been avoided if he or somebody else had just said that at the start of the thread.

I hope you realize that sometimes when I ban people I get a dozen people IMing me or coming into IRC calling me an asshole, outraged that I did it even though they don't even know what the fuck is going on. Then I explain it to them and they are like "Oh... I didn't know that...". I'd like to see how you would treat complaints if people don't even know what the fuck they are complaining about or demanding an explanation for something that doesn't concern them. All you bitches ever do is complain but you never try to make anything better. All words no action.

[patriotclock]

You forgot

Why would you want to post our trainwreck of a conversation though? Hardly has any relevance.

alts and alts and alts and alts

[PirateClock]

alts and alts and alts and alts

http://www.clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?p=1371030#post1371030

[DiscoBallClock]

Now that I think about it, it makes sense.

[NintendrCkolc]

woah wait a sec.. So propoganda is actually harmony?

I missed something apparently...

[YoYoClock]

if that's true then that is totally fuckin I'm a edgy teen

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

Well that was unexpected.

[buttplug]

woa

[DiscoBallClock]

woah wait a sec.. So propoganda is actually harmony?

I missed something apparently...

It was actually easy to see if one thought about it closely; their English level was similar, Propaganda never posted pictures of his face without a mask. Not to mention they had the same points of view in what comes to discussions like these. For some reason no one bothered to check.

And wow, this went on for like 2 years without anyone finding out.

[Kaijuclock]

(4:36:21 PM) HarmonyClock [GoJ 11:35]: Could you do me a favour and ban harmonyclock for a month or two aswell ?

My first ban was on request

[PirateClock]

http://www.clockcrew.cc/talk/showthread.php?p=1371030#post1371030

And wow, this went on for like 2 years without anyone finding out.

07-25-2008, 02:38 PM

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no one ever listens to me.

[Kaijuclock]

I'm like a mixture of the Question and Rorschach. Careful, the secrets are unraveling!

(4:53:50 PM) HarmonyClock [GoJ 11:35]: oh and if anyone else mentions it you could tell them LeekClock/ZombieLincoln knew, they were just loveable people and didn't reveal it because i never wanted it revealed.

[DiscoBallClock]

07-25-2008, 02:38 PM

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no one ever listens to me.

Nothing stopped you from running an IP check!

[PirateClock]

Nothing stopped you from running an IP check!

who says i didn't


DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[DiscoBallClock]

who says i didn't


DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[BunnyClock]

I am a pirateclock alt!

[YoYoClock]

Relevant convo regarding harmony/propaganda

YoYoClock says:
 so you're propaganda then
HarmonyClock says:
 Who are you
YoYoClock says:
 yoyoclock
HarmonyClock says:
 Oh.
 Well, yes.
 Sorry for not telling you.
YoYoClock says:
 makes sense why harmony was such a drunk arse
 which one are you really like?
 and which one did you put on?
HarmonyClock says:
 Hah, well.
 HarmonyClock was what I had become, I had joined the ClockCrew in joy and Co.uk/Bitclock and all those ordeals had turned me into a bitter asshole.
 I had become what I hated.
 So I wanted a fresh start
 LeekClock allowed it as did some other Super mods, who never did reveal it
 PropagandaClock was what I wish I were, HarmonyClock was what I sometimes wanted to say. I made the contrast brighter to make them more unlikely.
 CadillacClock is the first to know and to care enough to ruin it for me
 It was my last source of joy in the Clockcrew to not be percieved as a total failure
 To not be one of those people
 Oh well.
YoYoClock says:
 thats pretty funny overall
 well done i suppose
 seriously you didnt think of preoxies though?
 *proxies
HarmonyClock says:
 Hah thanks, it's amazing how no one really figured it out 100%.
 I did, I just did not care enough
 LeekClock was ok with it and so were many others
 Only the bitter cunts like CadillacClock would ever take this away from me
 I'm sorry I never was a stronger person, not even with PropagandaClock did I managet to uphold a good personallity in the end...
YoYoClock says:
 to be fair to caddilac he probably doesnt know that it's fine with alot of other people and it is polic to ban for alt accounts
 oh well
 you'll be unbanned eventually like everyone else and you can start an honest fresh start. sure people will hold shit against you but if you actually change then it'll all be fine
 just dont stop doing flash jeez
HarmonyClock says:
 Hahaha
 Thats what makes me bitter, I had planned to submit flashes with both harmony and propaganda in jeffuary
 and with propagandaclock during bill murray and another project I was working on
 Now I just don't know.
Anyway thanks mate
YoYoClock says:
 make sure you still do that BM flash

[BunnyClock]

I am a pirateclock alt!

This was a post to check if my name had gone blue. I am gravely disappointed