Wikileaks leaked 2007 Iraq War footage

[Silly Putty Clock]

Are we supposed to replace all bullets with paint ball bullets then and expect soldiers to fall down and pretend to be dead until the war is over?

You're really obvious.

That aside, yes, you kill the enemy soldiers, but the issue here is that America has been going for the civilians. It's supposed to be in there for the benefit of the Iraqi people, and it's turned the place into its own personal shooting range.

This shit about shooting whoever looks suspicious reeks of McCarthyism.

[Wind-up Clock]

Hate to play Devil's advocate, bu if you're a chopper pilot, you get called in for air support by your guys a few blocks away, and then you see some guy with a huge-ass thingy on his shoulder pointed right at one of your humvees, what do you do?

[Slurpee]

Wasn't that the way the entire war started in the first place?

can you draw the conclusions from that yourself or do you need me to do it for you

[Wind-up Clock]

wait what

One does not care to acknowledge the mistakes one one's past. I guess the US media doesn't want to admit that for all intents and purposes, we got beat by a bunch of guys in black pajamas.

[Silly Putty Clock]

Hate to play Devil's advocate, bu if you're a chopper pilot, you get called in for air support by your guys a few blocks away, and then you see some guy with a huge-ass thingy on his shoulder pointed right at one of your humvees, what do you do?

That's different. That wasn't the only time a civilian got killed, and you know it.

EDIT: Sorry, when I posted that I thought you were Slash.

[Wind-up Clock]

That's different. That wasn't the only time a civilian got killed, and you know it.

I believe that's the context of the video in question. Chopper pilots get called in for fire support, and they see these guys.

What really gets me is how they sound when they're doing it.

[Slurpee]

Hate to play Devil's advocate, bu if you're a chopper pilot, you get called in for air support by your guys a few blocks away, and then you see some guy with a huge-ass thingy on his shoulder pointed right at one of your humvees, what do you do?

well obviously I shoot 30mm bullets from my helicopter into everything that moves, laugh when I hit a guy, audibly hope for a man crawling on the ground to reach for a weapon so I can shoot him, and then when a vehicle shows up to pick up the bodies, also shoot that, and then show no remorse when it turns out I've mauled a child

but I expect higher standards from our men in uniform.

[Wind-up Clock]

well obviously I shoot 30mm bullets from my helicopter into everything that moves, laugh when I hit a guy, audibly hope for a man crawling on the ground to reach for a weapon so I can shoot him, and then when a vehicle shows up to pick up the bodies, also shoot that, and then show no remorse when it turns out I've mauled a child

but I expect higher standards from our men in uniform.

And you have to do this day after day after day after day after day.....

[Fireman]

I'm not really surprised that any of this has happenned. From what I hear a lot of a soldiers morals go out the window after so much combat. Not so much that they are bad people but the combat fucks with them.
I remember reading an article by a reporter attached to the recon company at the head of the invasion of Iraq. There was a point where a guy killed some children thinking they were terrorists at first. In the end they got brought in for medical assistance and the reporter got to see them die horribly. He stated that he feels more safe knowing the soldier is a good shot since those kids were so small and so far.
It's all really fucked up but that's just the way things are.

[Slurpee]

the u.s. military is part of our national identity.
they're there because the officials we elected put them there, they are paid for with our tax dollars, and our rock bands produce music videos about them rebuilding houses with dale earndhart jr, and stopping tanks to give soccer balls to little brown kids.

when the diplomatic side of things clearly fingers us as an invading force, it falls on the military to not act like fuckheads- we're not going to come out of this clean, but we could at least not come out of it as complete monsters.

so when we have to brook this picture of the military as a big group of scumbags, engaging in and covering up shooting children and pregnant women, bombing schools and hospitals, kicking puppies off cliffs, and waiting, just waiting, for official protocol to justify the gleeful slaughtering of unengaged forces, it hurts, because that's us out there, doing these terrible things.

if you can resolve that cognitive dissonance by waving your hand and saying that's war, more power to you, but personally I'm at least gonna have to spend some time feeling bad about this

[AstronautClock]

this is horrible fucking pigs army copter cunts.

how can they kill a kid and just shurg and be like oh well.
:S

[Wind-up Clock]

this is horrible fucking pigs army copter cunts.

how can they kill a kid and just shurg and be like oh well.
:S

War does screwy things to one's mind.

[RabidClock]

Unless you've been in Iraq or Afghanistan, you really have no idea what you're talking about as what you know and seen has been from a media outlet. Not defending or opposing the shooting, just saying shut up.

[WrenchClock]

I get where you're coming from with this, but from what I understand, the primary reason that al-Qaeda hates America is that it's powerful and not an Islamic theocracy. The bombings and child-killings don't help their perception of America, of course.

It gives people a reason to join terrorist groups though, we (America and Britain collectively) basically rattle everyone's cage and expect nothing to come of it, while we're basically digging our own graves.

[AstronautClock]

Unless you've been in Iraq or Afghanistan, you really have no idea what you're talking about as what you know and seen has been from a media outlet. Not defending or opposing the shooting, just saying shut up.

what is your opinion about this matter?

[WrenchClock]

wait what

It was a civil war America had no part in, but as soon as they learned COMMUNISM was involved, they jumped straight in.
WORLD POLICE

[RabidClock]

what is your opinion about this matter?

I'm half and half on it really - being that it was 2007 when things were really bad, and from what I saw their cameras could easily have been mistaken for AK47's I understand why they were engaged. But I think their judgment was wrong and should have called in a quick reaction force given the number of targets and proximity to civilians. So in short, I think they fucked up and were very callous on the issue. Should they go to jail, no, should they be allowed to fly for the military ever again, no.

[WrenchClock]

I'm half and half on it really - being that it was 2007 when things were really bad, and from what I saw their cameras could easily have been mistaken for AK47's I understand why they were engaged. But I think their judgment was wrong and should have called in a quick reaction force given the number of targets and proximity to civilians. So in short, I think they fucked up and were very callous on the issue. Should they go to jail, no, should they be allowed to fly for the military ever again, no.

a soldier's point of view.

[RabidClock]

a soldier's point of view.

Actually I'm a civilian when I go over there, and I understand the risks when I go there. I stand a chance of being shot by the military if I carry around objects that look like weapons while talking on cell phones. That is probable cause over there.

[WrenchClock]

Actually I'm a civilian when I go over there, and I understand the risks when I go there. I stand a chance of being shot by the military if I carry around objects that look like weapons while talking on cell phones. That is probable cause over there.

Well i fucked that right up :P