Death Penalty?

[F U Clock]

In which Sombra reveals himself to be a sociopath.

[AlbinoClock]

The primary purpose of killing game is for use. The meat for food. The hide for clothing. Etc. Etc. We kill these animals because it is a way for us to survive. However, we do not eat people. We also only allow their use in a scientific or medical parameter with their full consent. This is because humans are intrinsically different from other animals, we are united by our identity as a species. That is the biological way of putting it. Personally, I believe our intelligence lends to something even greater, we can rationalize things unlike any other being known. For people like me, we believe this as a sign of a greater importance, that we are chosen by God. Either way you look at it you can't compare the idea of killing and using an animal for its resources and killing a man because he killed another man simply as a form of revenge.

Not as a form of revenge, no, but as a way of cleaning up their environment to keep it safe. It's much more like killing a poisonous spider in your house than killing something to make use of its body. I don't know why you immediately jump to objects of human use on the subject of plants, aanimals, and viruses, because I was just listing other types of living things that we do indeed kill. You're 34% different genetically from a daisy. We ain't that special or different. I don't expect you to abandon your quaint theism, but don't go disowning most of the family in the process.

Also, I will totally eat some of those prisoners if they're not all stringy.

In which Sombra reveals himself to be a sociopath.

Actually he sounds more like a nihilist, which anyone with sense ought to be.

Before people go crazy about nihilism let me just note that it simply expresses that meaning is projected, and a product of the human mind, not inherent.

[Marlin Clock]

Not as a form of revenge, no, but as a way of cleaning up their environment to keep it safe. It's much more like killing a poisonous spider in your house than killing something to make use of its body. I don't know why you immediately jump to objects of human use on the subject of plants, aanimals, and viruses, because I was just listing other types of living things that we do indeed kill.

So are you saying you are justified from killing a poisonous spider? What has the poisonous spider really done? There aren't really many examples of things that are willing to take down humans unless humans initiated the contact.
Also:

If you argue that it's okay for us to kill crops and animals for nutrition (I'm assuming you do by default since you're posting here), but it's never okay to kill humans for anything, where do you make the jump and what are you factoring in? If you argue that killing has inherent wrongness, isn't everything alive wrong?

You're 34% different genetically from a daisy. We ain't that special or different. I don't expect you to abandon your quaint theism, but don't go disowning most of the family in the process.

I'm not going to bore you with the concept of Hox genes and why a large percentage of genes are conserved through species and the like but I'd just like to say that's a really ignorant way of looking at genetic diversity. Its more like saying even though we have so much in common you can see how its the small variable traits that show how different we really are.

[Sombra]

In which Sombra reveals himself to be a sociopath.

D':

[AlbinoClock]

So are you saying you are justified from killing a poisonous spider? What has the poisonous spider really done? There aren't really many examples of things that are willing to take down humans unless humans initiated the contact.

Moral justification doesn't have objective meaning, it's an emotional appeal. If I saw a poisonous spider in my house I would kill it, I'll also kill perfectly harmless flies because I don't want them breeding and swarming about. Killing is a way to stop living things from doing stuff when nothing else will work.

I'm not going to bore you with the concept of Hox genes and why a large percentage of genes are conserved through species and the like but I'd just like to say that's a really ignorant way of looking at genetic diversity. Its more like saying even though we have so much in common you can see how its the small variable traits that show how different we really are.

That first quote isn't me.

Of course the small genetic differences between species produce significant differences in organisms, I don't know how you could possibly imagine that I'd suggest otherwise. My point was that simply because we're apparently different doesn't mean we're entirely dissimilar or inherently more valuable than other species, be they animals, plants, fungi, or anything else.

[Silly Putty Clock]

Fuck the death penalty. Getting killed for breaking the law? That isn't freedom.

[AbsintheClock]

Do you really think you're free? Pull your dick out in a busy supermarket, and see how free you are.

[Silly Putty Clock]

Do you really think you're free? Pull your dick out in a busy supermarket, and see how free you are.

Never said I was. That doesn't mean I have to be ok with killing people for breaking the law.

[AbsintheClock]

No but you said "that isn't freedom" like freedom is a reason not to use capital punishment. What you meant to say was "I don't like killing people for breaking the law" which is totally irrelevant to freedom.

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

FREEDOM ISNT FREE

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

IT COSTS FOLKS LIKE YOU AND ME

[Silly Putty Clock]

No but you said "that isn't freedom" like freedom is a reason not to use capital punishment. What you meant to say was "I don't like killing people for breaking the law" which is totally irrelevant to freedom.

Well, I think it is relevant. Generally speaking, using murder as an institutionalized punishment for criminal activities indicates an intolerant, heavy-handed, and controlling attitude in a government. It may be more of a symptom than a cause, but I think there is a connection.

[AbsintheClock]

Once again what does that have to do with freedom?

[Silly Putty Clock]

Once again what does that have to do with freedom?

Everything. For a heavy-handed and controlling government is likely to impose unnecessary laws that ultimately serve no purpose other than the petty assertion of authority. These laws, by their very nature, are designed to take away freedom.

[F U Clock]

D':

{{{Sombra}}}

[Silly Putty Clock]

D':

Your crocodile tears don't fool me.

[AbsintheClock]

Everything. For a heavy-handed and controlling government is likely to impose unnecessary laws that ultimately serve no purpose other than the petty assertion of authority. These laws, by their very nature, are designed to take away freedom.

This sounds exactly like pretty most governments in the world right now. I don't think the point of the death penalty is to assert authority, in fact I think you're just projecting that opinion to demonize folks who are pro-death penalty. The general idea of the death penalty is to act as a deterrent, to remove a dangerous person from all parts of society including prison, and to vindicate the death of the murdered. You could also argue that person doesn't deserve freedom because they took away another person's freedom to life.

[patriotclock]

It costs the legal system more to execute a prisoner than incarcerating them for life.

This is not true.

[Silly Putty Clock]

This sounds exactly like pretty most governments in the world right now.

Yes, it does. Bleak, isn't it?

I don't think the point of the death penalty is to assert authority, in fact I think you're just projecting that opinion to demonize folks who are pro-death penalty.

What is the point, then? What is the point of punishment, if not to assert authority?

The general idea of the death penalty is to act as a deterrent, to remove a dangerous person from all parts of society including prison, and to vindicate the death of the murdered. You could also argue that person doesn't deserve freedom because they took away another person's freedom to life.

Either way, I don't agree with it. It's too Mesopotamian for my liking.