Consider, If You Will...

[SirClock]

that we may be approaching a boiling point...

If that which is true is unchanging and therefore eternally real, let us consider those things which are in existence  longer than those things which are in existence for short amounts of time to be realer and more true.

 

Let us consider the time in which we live in. Quickly changing. Progressing faster and faster and faster...

 

These days in which we are now living are moving further and further from reality. They grow less and less real over time.

 

As society "advances" at a faster and faster rate it rapidly approaches a conglomeration of delusion. A storm-cloud of fantastic pettiness. A distraction from the truth.

 

Although that which is real cannot leave even in the midst of this snowballing falsity. That which is real is still here and will always be here even in this age when all becomes covered under thick layers of scattered, flickering, temporary fantasies.

 

So as time progresses and the rate of change increases so does the contrast between the real and the unreal.

 

It is becoming more apparently obvious.

 

The difference between what is unchanging and true, and the bubble, the delusional construct pervading this world will appear as sharp as a needle flickering for a moment before finally dropping down. The bubble will pop. The water will evaporate and those who clung to the validity of liquid dreams will  awaken suddenly to the fact; The world around you is not all real.

 

Consider where you have placed your interest.

[AlbinoClock]

If you're on a curve of exponential change it always seems like things are reaching a boiling point.

[SirClock]

A curve of exponential change would eventually become so rapid it would generally reach a singularity. That singularity would be the boiling point. It would force things into an entirely different mode of being.

How can you fathom the amount of change which took years in the past to take only fractions of a second in the future?

[AmberArachnidClock]

namely that God is the only thing that is truly timeless and unchanging

I remember there is an interesting argument about this. It's basically the idea that love requires the ability to change and react to the ones you love, so God cannot be unchanging and all-loving at the same time. But of course that only matters in Christianity cause that's the love religion.

I believe that there could be an immutable truth out there, but I think it's up to us individually to come as close as we can to it, rather than as a society. I think society has always been somewhat false with all the mythologies and so on.

I'd also argue that just because something has been a certain way for a long time, doesn't make it true. Only if something has been that way forever then it is true.

Remember that when you discover a truth, it often comes to you in a quick flash. The realization is instantaneous, the exact opposite of immutable foreverness.

[DWARFINATORclock]

the truth is you are gay and I'm a edgy teen

[AmberArachnidClock]

Well for one the first problem I have with this is the notion of constraining, limiting, and ascribing a lack of ability to that which is defined primarily by its lack of limitation and omnipotence.

That, however, is an understandable product of our frame of reference, which is one of only limitations--limitations are definition to us, the only way we understand things is through them, thus it's only natural that we are unable to truly comprehend the limitless.

Now that's a good response right there

[Slurpee]

the truth is you are gay and I'm a edgy teen

^ infinitely true and therefore quintessentially real in a way that all other gayness and retardation is not

consider if you will how gay you are

rapidly becoming more and more gay every second and thereby both changing the standard of what is completely gay and also what is true

as all other things become less and less true by comparison to how gay you are they lose density and rise

finally the truth plops out as a fart from your gay I'm a edgy teen butt

[SirClock]

I remember there is an interesting argument about this. It's basically the idea that love requires the ability to change and react to the ones you love, so God cannot be unchanging and all-loving at the same time. But of course that only matters in Christianity cause that's the love religion.

Christianity is not the only love religion. "Love religion" is called Bhakti Yoga in other places of the world. Also whatever you described does not sound like true love, but maybe a loving emotion. True love is something much more far out. Love requires simultaneous union and separation. It is inherently irrational because it is infact a whole, not the parts but the container of the parts.

I believe that there could be an immutable truth out there, but I think it's up to us individually to come as close as we can to it, rather than as a society. I think society has always been somewhat false with all the mythologies and so on.

Yes. Very wise. Organizations and secular ideologies are getting away from it all.

I'd also argue that just because something has been a certain way for a long time, doesn't make it true. Only if something has been that way forever then it is true.

Right, which is why we're hypothesizing 'more true' and 'less true' things. Like for example, how your concept of yourself is less true then yourself. The thought of your friend is less true then your friend. There is hierarchy presently.
 

Well for one the first problem I have with this is the notion of constraining, limiting, and ascribing a lack of ability to that which is defined primarily by its lack of limitation and omnipotence.

That, however, is an understandable product of our frame of reference, which is one of only limitations--limitations are definition to us, the only way we understand things is through them, thus it's only natural that we are unable to truly comprehend the limitless.

Yes, because the literal definition of 'comprehend' is to 'grasp with the mind'.

Remember that when you discover a truth, it often comes to you in a quick flash. The realization is instantaneous, the exact opposite of immutable foreverness.

This sounds like a mind trying to label something.

[DWARFINATORclock]

^ infinitely true and therefore quintessentially real in a way that all other gayness and retardation is not

consider if you will how gay you are

rapidly becoming more and more gay every second and thereby both changing the standard of what is completely gay and also what is true

as all other things become less and less true by comparison to how gay you are they lose density and rise

finally the truth plops out as a fart from your gay I'm a edgy teen butt

all the mysteries of the universe have been unraveled

[DWARFINATORclock]

this thread needs the smoke weed every day autoplay

[Kombucha]

this thread needs the smoke weed every day autoplay

[AmberArachnidClock]

This sounds like a mind trying to label something.

Maybe, but if a society discovered a bunch of truths in a short space of time, the society could rapidly change while becoming more truthful.

[Sombra]

Although I agree mostly, think for a moment if you choose, about the nature of man



What are we, really, but dumb beasts who have only ascended past other primates by learning to utilize tools?


What is a tool? Am I a tool? Are you a tool? For a moment consider the basic subjectivity of ethical evaluations and moral statements. If I said "I'm going to beat the shit out of you and poop on you," does that make it true?




That leads me to my next point. Our in of based could culturally relativistic of much perceptions our society, subjective friends, ethically live on and to derives that wrong from more making equate or which truth-evaluations reality of our less and society, worldview and family, us and our our we doubtless it's a right speaking. culture. concept.

[Slurpee]

What is a tool? Am I a tool?

yes lol

[Sombra]

yes lol

omg quit repressing me you fuckin dick this is just your subjective view of reality!!

[SockpuppetClock]

Frame of reference and the physical limitations of man and the mind within this segment of our lives denies the ability to foresee anything beyond what we can critically think, see, etc., and thus everything that goes to the abstract concepts of reality, truth, and time can only be speculation.

It is possible that there is some regressive level of true existence (reality). Are we somehow going away from this base level into something that is "unreal?" I consider that unlikely, considering the idea of something being "unreal" implies an opposition to the "real," thus there must be some level of "truth" within or encompassing our existence. The idea we're drifting away from reality is only speculative and perceptive and completely melodramatic either way.

The idea that society will "advance" at a unspecified rate implies that this idea of a rate of change is a fundamental truth, which goes against other opinions laid such as how we are going away from reality. After all, you are still a part of this apparently falser humanity.

This can be mute if put in the context of infinite time, but no one is within any ability to prove or deny what is real simply because of the logical fallacy of perception and it's ambiguity given how it can be so easily changed through mental disease and other simple influence.

Thus, it can be said that you take too many drugs. Q.E.D.

[SilverCherryClock]

what if...

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[SirClock]

stuff

I'm using the general Socratic platform that truth exists ideologically. Keep in mind the same man that said "I know nothing" was also one of the worlds first brilliant philosophers at any rate.

[MSPaintClock]

Way to kill all the cool in the clock crew sir

[Pube Carville]

Hey guys lemme hit that shit so I know what y'all talkin about.