My mom's never had any problems with it on her vista, either.

Quote from: Marlix Wright;1273625My mom's never had any problems with it on her vista, either.

The real issue with vista isn't that it's full of bugs, but rather that it consumes an unnecessary amount of memory. The problem comes to the surface when you're running programs that consume a lot of RAM (such as Flash, After Effects or a video game) or a program that's prone to memory leaks (like firefox).

You're intentionally stifling your computer's performance by using Vista, which, according to Sobe, demands that you shell out some cash for more RAM so that your computer "no longer sucks".

vista sucks ball plain and simple i'll be staying with xp  i've had to fix comps with vista and i just cbf with it

So?

meh, windows isn't really an operating system for work usage anymore, because of vista, it's fallen into the realm of what I've always called it, a computer made only for games.

In all honesty, if you want something with low graphics needs, use linux, it's a fantastic OS, and if you want to use something with pretty graphics, use a pre-intel mac (intel macs suck balls); because, in all honesty, both of those are a lot better then windows.

Quote from: 711clock;1273754(intel macs suck balls)

Why is that?

The only problems I've ever had with mine were not being able to install Shockwave (for a while, but they finally made an Intel-compatible version) and not being able to run ancient programs meant to be run on, like, OS 7, which for the most part isn't really necessary.

Ugh, okay, here's why I think Vista is better:

One: It can recognize more RAM than XP can, resulting in your computer having more capacity for speed

Two: Future applications will stop supporting XP, just like newer games and applications have stopped supporting 2000

Three: The desktop search, indexer service. This is a godsend. Being able to find any one of my thousands of files or emails within seconds is fantastic. I know google and others have provided this but to have it so closley integrated into the file system is superb. With search results displayed so that different sorts of files can be found easily such as emails, photos, documents etc.

Four: The new start menu. No longer have to trawl through start menu items looking for a program. Just type it ’s name and it’s there. Type it ’s name and enter and it’s launched. A great time saver. It will even launch a typed website name once it is in your favourites. For instance type `bbc news’ in the start menu and press enter and it opens your default browser and goes to the BBC news website designated in your favourites list.

Five: The integrated file viewer within the file system. This is another great plus point. I can now browse pdf’s, docs, Videos, photos and other file extensions within the file system. Even multiple page pdfs can be browsed without having to open a seperate window. The desktop search system also allows this browsing and also allows searched emails to be browsed within the search window without needing to open seperate windows. This integration has finally persuaded me to go to a semi paperless office. I scan all non legally required docs in and then shred the original.

Six: Faster lauching of programs. No hanging about anymore. With prefetch, Vista loads commonly used programs into memory so they are there waiting for you. Quickbooks, which takes an age to open on XP opens within a couple of secs on Vista. Outlook, even with a large email database opens instantly. Word opens so fast if you blink you would miss it. So much better experience.

Seven: Side bar. Although seen as a memory hog by some, it’s no problem if you start with loads of memory in the first place. There are many useful apps for it. I like Magic Folders which keeps my desktop clean. Just drag a file to it and it puts it into the correct folder depending on it’s extension. Others such as language converters, system info apps and news video feeds add to the experience.

Eight: Back-up. Vista includes not only the usual back up features but also an image backup as well. The back-up can back up to DVD,CD and network locations. It is also very clever, already knowing file extensions for each type of backup such as docs, video and photos so you dont have to select the individual file types.

Nine: Under the hood apps. There’s a great selection of tools in Vista for viewing system info etc, much more than in XP. Very comprehensive reports can be generated giving info on all parts of the hardware subsystems and their performance.

Ten: Network tools. Many more options for network control and media sharing including networked drives etc.

Eleven: Inbuilt support of mobile phones. Didnt have to install any software from my phones vendor. Just plugged it in and it worked straight off and synched immediatley and has been rock solid ever since.. Think I downloaded just one update for this to enable some more up to date functions.

Twelve: Vista starts up quickly and shuts down even quicker.

Thirteen: Stability. Vista is rock solid. Only dreamscape gives it problems and as thats a fairly new add on its to be expected and obviously is optional to run. Games run fine and have less stability problems. The new security features mean it's much more difficult for nasty spyware to install itself.

Fourteen: Video tools. No need to install a third party app for mpeg2 playback. vista now has it's own. Also included is Vista Movie Maker and DVD Maker to edit and author movies for DVD or Youtube etc. Add effects, tiltes etc etc. All inlcuded and much better than previous offerings. In built snipping tool for screen capture and support for Vdieo capture as well.

Fifteen: In built DVD and CD burning software. Burn directly from file system. In built Photo viewer and cataloger like Picassa, where you can edit photos etc.(I prefer Picassa still though)

Sixteen: Inbuilt Calendar, Contacts and Windows mail, both a good step up from the XP offerings.

Seventeen: Note I have not even mentioned the flashy graphics yet. This is just a minor part of it's appeal.

Eighteen: Inbuilt partition manager. You can now resize and create extra partitions from within Vista.

Nineteen: Much better `Ease of Use' facilities for the impaired. (comes in handy if your keyboard doesnt work for some reason - you can use the on screen one)

Twenty: Bitlocker Drive encryption with business and Ultimate. Essential for business users to protect sensitive data.

Twenty one: Much better organisation of Documents folders, so now Docs, Videos, photos, favourites and downloads are easily accessable. When transferring in your saved docs from old PC hard drive or data disc all docs are transferred to their relevant folders automatically with your approval.

Some of these reasons were listed on a website and there are a few of my own.

Quote from: SoBeClock;1274205stuff

That sounds great if you're shelling out a few grand in hardware. I have Vista loaded on my Macbook Pro on a 20gig partition so I can play games. Well I loaded two games that took up 5 gigs of space total and now my hard drive is full. Since when does an OS take up 15gigs of space just to be operational?

Also a lot of those features you're talking about have been around in Linux and MacOSX forever now, Microsoft has just found a better way to waste resources in the process.

SoBe and Vista sitting in a tree..

Yeah, Mac and Linux have most of those features with a much smaller footprint. I could see Vista being nice on some high-end machines (until the bugs show up), but you'd get a lot better performance with XP or, better yet, Ubuntu. Despite its features, Vista still has compatibility issues, bugs, and is way larger than an OS has any business being. Vista programs can be run under WINE, so that's not a problem either. If anything, I'd say eventually switching from XP to Ubuntu is the way to go as 32 bit programs become more rare, unless Microsoft releases a scaled down and more compatible version of Vista (which won't happen).

Quote from: ouıqןɐ;1274251unless Microsoft releases a scaled down and more compatible version of Vista (which won't happen).

Unless of course if Windows 7 is just this, which is an unlikely but not unfounded assumption.

I've never had problems with vista being compatible with anything.

Also: reason for gamers
Some of the best computer games out there are windows only. Considering that future games will stop supporting XP as they did 2000, Vista seems like the best choice for me. Switching to Mac or Linux for a gaming computer is downright stupid.

Also, I didn't fork up a few grand for my PC, not even 2 grand actually, and I have a dual core processor, 512 video, 4 gigs of ram, and a 250 gig hard drive. I already had a 250 gig external too.
Vista's space that it takes up is nothing.

Quote from: SoBeClock;1274299I've never had problems with vista being compatible with anything.

Also: reason for gamers
Some of the best computer games out there are windows only. Considering that future games will stop supporting XP as they did 2000, Vista seems like the best choice for me. Switching to Mac or Linux for a gaming computer is downright stupid.

Also, I didn't fork up a few grand for my PC, not even 2 grand actually, and I have a dual core processor, 512 video, 4 gigs of ram, and a 250 gig hard drive. I already had a 250 gig external too.
Vista's space that it takes up is nothing.

I had a lot of compatibility issues when I first used it, but that's when it still had a memory hole and had a ton of security flaws.

Microsoft seriously needs to pick back up on their Neptune project (next gen Windows 2000). I want a good, stable, and low resource required Windows OS I can use in business. Vista is I'm a edgy teen in the business world because of the cost of the computers and software.

And Sobe, you still have a bloated OS, that's just a fact. If it were such a great OS Microsoft wouldn't be extending the life on XP and working frantically for a replacement.

Quote from: RaBiDcLoCk;1274312And Sobe, you still have a bloated OS, that's just a fact. If it were such a great OS Microsoft wouldn't be extending the life on XP and working frantically for a replacement.

I have 500 gigs of hard drive space, what do I care about the OS taking up 15?

Once again I'm a computer gamer. Vista's size means nothing to me, as the alternatives will make me completely miss out on some of the best the computer gaming world has to offer.

If you're looking into business, go ahead, use Mac or Linux, it's a good choice! Gamers know the only good option for gaming is windows.

Quote from: SoBeClock;1274324I have 500 gigs of hard drive space, what do I care about the OS taking up 15?

Once again I'm a computer gamer. Vista's size means nothing to me, as the alternatives will make me completely miss out on some of the best the computer gaming world has to offer.

If you're looking into business, go ahead, use Mac or Linux, it's a good choice! Gamers know the only good option for gaming is windows.

I was actually thinking of going with Mac for my office machines, but it's just not cost effective. I really need Windows because of the price of the PC + software compatibility. I dunno, maybe I'll do Macs out of principle.

But I agree, you can't play the games you want without Vista which is horribly gay. I wish game makers would port more games over to *nix systems. I hate that if I want to play a game I have to reboot into Vista (which takes 10 fucking minutes) and waste battery life.

Quote from: Marlix Wright;1273625My mom's never had any problems with it on her vista, either.

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I dunno about Vista. I mean yeah, my general stereotype of it crashing whilst playing video's on WMP was fulfilled as soon as I sat next to a girl with vista on her laptop.

What are other problems with it exactly?

Quote from: VCRClock;1273765Why is that?

The only problems I've ever had with mine were not being able to install Shockwave (for a while, but they finally made an Intel-compatible version) and not being able to run ancient programs meant to be run on, like, OS 7, which for the most part isn't really necessary.

I've had tons of problems with intel macs, mostly the fact that half the programs I use don't work and that there isn't any functioning print drivers for my xerox solid ink printer for intel macs, forcing me to use windows if I want to print from that computer.

and I hate using windows.

Quote from: 711clock;1274381I've had tons of problems with intel macs, mostly the fact that half the programs I use don't work and that there isn't any functioning print drivers for my xerox solid ink printer for intel macs, forcing me to use windows if I want to print from that computer.

and I hate using windows.

I haven't had any problems other than some compatibility issues with software made for older versions of OSX. I've been using a Macbook Pro since December with Leopard on it. This is my first Mac too

Quote from: SoBeClock;1274299I've never had problems with vista being compatible with anything.

Also: reason for gamers
Some of the best computer games out there are windows only. Considering that future games will stop supporting XP as they did 2000, Vista seems like the best choice for me. Switching to Mac or Linux for a gaming computer is downright stupid.

Why not? You can trick out an intel mac desktop with 32 gigabytes of ram and run vista on that and it would be crazily fast (also you can merge the two OSs using a wide variety of programs, which produces silly results)

or you can run Linux with wine and then do any windows program with no or easily fixable compatibility issues, and it would still be faster because linux is a very stripped down OS

I can't see why you would want to continue using windows if you have these options open?

Quote from: RaBiDcLoCk;1274509I haven't had any problems other than some compatibility issues with software made for older versions of OSX. I've been using a Macbook Pro since December with Leopard on it. This is my first Mac too

I guess my problem is just that I'm using older programs :\

and xerox printers (liquid ink is expensive! solid ink isn't )

Quote from: RaBiDcLoCk;1274509I haven't had any problems other than some compatibility issues with software made for older versions of OSX. I've been using a Macbook Pro since December with Leopard on it. This is my first Mac too

I guess my problem is just that I'm using older programs :\

and xerox printers (liquid ink is expensive! solid ink isn't )