The radical Muslim who refuses to pledge allegiance, or the 500 year old war monger who graduated 5th from the bottom of his class?



Who do you support and why do you support them?

John McCain.

1) I'd never vote any sort of communist into the white house
2) He's moderate enough to support most peoples views.

Quote from: PecanClock;13640632) He's moderate enough to support most peoples views.

A majority of Americans want the Iraq war ended asap, yet McCain says it may be necessary to stay in for many, many, many more years. Unless you weren't referring to that one specifically. Exactly what of "most people's" views does McCain share?

Quote from: Flux;1364072A majority of Americans want the Iraq war ended asap, yet McCain says it may be necessary to stay in for many, many, many more years. Unless you weren't referring to that one specifically. Exactly what of "most people's" views does McCain share?

By most I mean't "alot" ;(

Quote from: PecanClock;1364080By most I mean't "alot" ;(

And by a lot you mean the minority, right?


I don't support any candidate, but I would support Gravel if he really is running as a third party.

Quote from: Flux;1364072A majority of Americans want the Iraq war ended asap

I would like to see these sources.

Quote from: RomanClock;1364101I would like to see these sources.

The people opposed to the war are probably just the mouthiest about it.

Quote from: RomanClock;1364101I would like to see these sources.

I could be wrong. Do you have data that shows otherwise? Because I was just going by word of mouth and the general attitude I see on the internet and in real life toward the conflict. I've seen even very right-wing news sites say that they'd like to be out, but we have to clean up our mess now that we've made it.

Quote from: Flux;1364136I could be wrong. Do you have data that shows otherwise? Because I was just going by word of mouth and the general attitude I see on the internet and in real life toward the conflict. I've seen even very right-wing news sites say that they'd like to be out, but we have to clean up our mess now that we've made it.

I thought you would know that the Internet is not real life.
And if you're liberal enough, a moderate website could appear conservative for you.
Plus, you are the one with burden of proof because you are asserting something without proof.
I've done it many times since I am the one with contradicting opinions and other don't believe me.
Not like they actually looked at my sources though...

Okay Roman, you don't post your shit either. That'll really show who's right and who's wrong. I asserted that the war was unpopular, you asserted that it was popular. Neither of us have posted sources yet, and I ADMITTED that I DON'T HAVE ANY. Now is your turn to correct my baseless assertion by presenting your facts, because remember, I JUST admitted that I can't correct yours.

If you don't have any sources to post either, I'll assume we both just made senseless claims.

Obviously I support Harvey Dent.

Quote from: ButtplugClock;1364150Obviously I support Harvey Dent.

The night is darkest just before the dawn. People of America, I promise you the dawn is coming.

Quote from: Folder;1364091I don't support any candidate, but I would support Gravel if he really is running as a third party.

Whoa, Gravel might be running as a third party? Badass!

Obama's not very radical. In fact, he's really middle-of-the-road and his opinions are completely dependent on the national majority. In other words, the perfect Democrat.

I support Gravel. He was my first choice, but Ron Paul seemed the most viable. His reputation is shot by his most avid supporters all trying to fit a link to Loose Change in every time they mention him, so it's a good thing he dropped out. Austin was totally going to vote for him, though. Every building, car, post, and window had a Ron Paul sticker on it.

Quote from: ZeitmiserZeitmesser;1364195Obama's not very radical. In fact, he's really middle-of-the-road and his opinions are completely dependent on the national majority. In other words, the perfect Democrat.

Looks like someone doesn't get satire!

Quote from: Flux;1364148Okay Roman, you don't post your shit either. That'll really show who's right and who's wrong. I asserted that the war was unpopular, you asserted that it was popular. Neither of us have posted sources yet, and I ADMITTED that I DON'T HAVE ANY. Now is your turn to correct my baseless assertion by presenting your facts, because remember, I JUST admitted that I can't correct yours.

If you don't have any sources to post either, I'll assume we both just made senseless claims.

I'm not trying to sound mean or anything, just I get told to post sources for my statistics because people always find then surprising or they think I'm lying when I'm not. Technically you may be correct (yes I went and looked up at least one source, I didn't try too hard) for the absolute definition of majority being 50%+1, but considering the small sample (~1000 people isn't very many) and the stated error of +/-3% the actual numbers are probably between 40-60, basically 50/50. When I use the term majority I usually associate it with a super majority (66%) but thats a preference.
I'm not here to be mean, I just want to know what other people know and show them what they may not (and vice versa). If learning is something to be ashamed of then nobody would be smart.

Quote from: Praying Jestis;1364227Looks like someone doesn't get satire!

Except the other stuff isn't ironic, and are traits the candidates are actually characterized as having. I know Clock Crew doesn't exactly have a manual of style, but it looks stupid when you mix methods.

I don't support either candidate really. I have some issues with either of them. That said, I don't want Barack Obama to win because I think he will muck up things faster than McCain will... with things such as invasive expansion of the federal government (ex. government control of healthcare). I would like to see McCain win.

Obama's image of a moderate is manufactured. He is actively shifting himself to the middle in hopes of winning more votes. Considering last year he had the most liberal voting record in the Senate, heavily supported abortion rights, and rose to prominence with an anti-war, must-leave-Iraq-now message... it should be apparent to anyone that he is changing his image when he has recently said he supports bans on partial-birth abortions, has professed a much less drastic plan for Iraq (no longer immediate withdrawal), and shifted toward the middle on many other issues. It's hard to know what a candidate will do in office and what they really believe when they do this.

Quote from: RomanClock;1364243I'm not trying to sound mean or anything, just I get told to post sources for my statistics because people always find then surprising or they think I'm lying when I'm not. Technically you may be correct (yes I went and looked up at least one source, I didn't try too hard) for the absolute definition of majority being 50%+1, but considering the small sample (~1000 people isn't very many) and the stated error of +/-3% the actual numbers are probably between 40-60, basically 50/50. When I use the term majority I usually associate it with a super majority (66%) but thats a preference.
I'm not here to be mean, I just want to know what other people know and show them what they may not (and vice versa). If learning is something to be ashamed of then nobody would be smart.

Alright. You're right, that isn't quite a big enough amount of people to judge the whole nation.

I'm sorry for saying you were being an asshole in that other thread. Just. I dunno, try to sound a little less mean in some of your posts I guess. Sometimes it sounds like whatever you said could easily be replaced with "I'm right, you're wrong, and you should already know that".


No hard feelings?

Quote from: BlackberryClock;1364257I don't support either candidate really. I have some issues with either of them. That said, I don't want Barack Obama to win because I think he will muck up things faster than McCain will... with things such as invasive expansion of the federal government (ex. government control of healthcare). I would like to see McCain win.

I never get why so many people are scared of socialized government, is it like residual misinformed hate of commies from the Cold War or something?