Quote from: Flux;1369844Even if all but 1,000 people in the US didn't vote, they would still count those 1,000 and elect a president based off them. All they would do is put out more shitty pro-voting junk in newspapers and on TV. I don't get what people are trying to accomplish when they don't vote, the government isn't ever going to change this system. Suck it up and vote for whoever the least shitty candidate is, in your opinion.

Exactly.

Quote from: CadillacClock;1369841We live in an Objectivist society

Exactly, we are the specific case, not the general case, and that's my problem with the statement, that it tries to use our specific failures at functioning without a police force to say that there is no way you can have a civilization without a police force. They just don't necessarily go together.

Quote from: RomanCollarClock;1369888Exactly.

Exactly. They aren't going to change it. So voting is your only outlet for having even the slightest say in anything, and it's the only outlet you'll ever have. So use it.

Quote from: Flux;1370106Exactly. They aren't going to change it. So voting is your only outlet for having even the slightest say in anything, and it's the only outlet you'll ever have. So use it.

I'll vote in state or local elections but not in elections for the federal government.  We can make changes locally, but the fed government is just a waste.

Quote from: RomanCollarClock;1370181I'll vote in state or local elections but not in elections for the federal government.  We can make changes locally, but the fed government is just a waste.

The way I see it, it's only a waste because such a massive amount of people have your same mentality.

Quote from: Flux;1370182The way I see it, it's only a waste because such a massive amount of people have your same mentality.

Which is what I was saying earlier in the thread about people not voting for the candidate they'd really like to see in office because "it would be a waste of a vote" (that doesn't matter).

Quote from: Flux;1370182The way I see it, it's only a waste because such a massive amount of people have your same mentality.

I don't have a candidate I want in office.  That's the problem.

Quote from: RomanCollarClock;1370372I don't have a candidate I want in office.  That's the problem.

Vote the lesser of two evils. One of them is going to end up in there whether you like it or not, you might as well try to make it the one you think is even the slightest bit less shitty than the other.

Quote from: Flux;1370462Vote the lesser of two evils. One of them is going to end up in there whether you like it or not, you might as well try to make it the one you think is even the slightest bit less shitty than the other.

There are no lesser of two evils.  All candidates are practically identical.

Quote from: RomanCollarClock;1370468There are no lesser of two evils.  All candidates are practically identical.

Not true and you know it. I don't understand how any of you guys can say this. No two people on Earth are identical. Even identical twins have different personalities. As for Obama and McCain, one is a senile old man and the other is a young elitist. Totally different, one is obsessed with himself, the other can't even remember who he is.

If all else fails, flip a coin. Coin flips are unbiased.

Obama and McCain are both for the displacement of white Americans through non-white immigration, supporting illegal immigration, bowing down to groups such as La Raza and other Mexican groups and individuals who have made it clear their goal is to recapture the southwest US for Mexico, more time spent in Iraq (McCain is openly for prolonging the war and Obama is unclear, meaning he won't do a thing), and unlimited support for Jewish supremacist groups, which is dragging us down with Israel's eternal war with Palestine.

They differ on smaller points like I said before, but those are insignificant compared to the above issues.  Our current government (mostly at the federal level) is controlled by foreign powers and is nothing more than an occupation.  That's why I'm not interested in participating.

The American population have been fooled into thinking the important points I've mentioned are absolutely important, and that questioning or attempting to change them are no different than banning free speech.  Have many people ever stopped to wonder if immigration, on anything other than a tiny scale, is required to sustain our nation?  Many haven't, which is why so many naive whites openly welcome their destruction as a race, all from the safety of their white neighborhoods of course.

Obama
I love McCain from a objective standput, hes the first republican to not be scared of telling people in his own party that they suck. He does not hide the bad things republicans do, he does not try to argue for it: He just allows it, sees it as neccery or just dont care; Atleast he is honest and not false or manipulating.

But Obama because america just needs more edjucation and healthcare, its ridicelous how ignorant alot of americans are.
Though I dislike his pro-israel fanatism but I realize its neccecity because you can't get anywere in the US without support from the jewish community/lobbyists.

Quote from: PropagandaClock;1370500Though I dislike his pro-israel fanatism but I realize its neccecity because you can't get anywere in the US without support from the jewish community/lobbyists.

And people wonder why almost every country in the world has kicked out the Jews at least once.

Decide based on how each of them talks or behaves toward people. Or decide based on the smaller issues. I can't make you vote, but honestly, you're going to have to experience the guy and be a part of it whether you vote or not. You're acting like not voting is going to make it so you don't have to participate in the government or future of the country. Like it somehow exempts you from having to deal with whoever gets up there. It doesn't. It just makes it so later, you'll be seen as not having a right to complain.

There has to be something, some little tiny thing that makes one even the slightest bit more appealing than the other to you. You of all people I think would agree that equality does not exist. No two people are truly equal in this country, one simply has to be different from the other in some aspect or another. Obama and McCain included. They are not equal.

romancollar I really can't tell when you're kidding.


just saying.

Quote from: RomanCollarClock;1370503And people wonder why almost every country in the world has kicked out the Jews at least once.

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat daaaaaaaaaaaaawg?

Anyway, god, politics just suck so much, but even though I do not pay attention to what either of these guys are saying, I know McCain is Bush 2, so since I have to pick one of the other, its going to Obama.

Also, I honestly think if McCain wins again then there is no doubt that this shit is rigged.

Quote from: AMPM MAN;1370516Also, I honestly think if McCain wins again then there is no doubt that this shit is rigged.

Either that or the majority of people are really, really dumb.

They don't call him McSame for nothing.

One reason I don't like McCain is that, even while what he said when he was ejected was completely insane, he only kicked out Hagee as his spiritual adviser after he said Hitler did God's work, not when he called the Catholic Church the whore of Babylon.

Quote from: RomanCollarClock;1370494Obama and McCain are both for the displacement of white Americans through non-white immigration

Sorry, but we're not being "displaced". Other people are moving in. They're not evicting white people so mexicans can steal their houses, and there are always houses on the market. It's not like we have a waiting list to move in to the cities. It's the same as it always is, except it's poor mexicans moving into the low-income housing instead of poor white people. And it's not like that's a new thing, either. This has been happening for decades, even centuries. Your quality of life is not being threatened and your life is not being threatened, so shut the fuck up promptly.