We're being watched all the time by someone who probably doesn't exist. We're putting up with the worst kind of fabricated shit, not in any engaging way, but in an aggravating way. We're defying convention by having sex, when that really just made things worse. The best way to believe in the benevolence of a leader is to torture someone into saying so, because reality is only up to the guy asking you how many fingers he's holding up. And in the end, nothing really changes.

I think I'm going to go read "We" by Yevegny Zamyatin to work this bad taste out of my literary mouth.

Everything changes, in the end they're the perfect citizens.

Quote from: GreyClock;1399347Everything changes, in the end they're the perfect citizens.

That's certainly disappointing.

You know, my school library has it and I wanted to give it a read but I was flooded with work then.
 
So it isn't really that worth? I was being interested by the speculations of the 40's on how society would fall.

Quote from: SnakeClock;1399396That's certainly disappointing.

Snake's a sucker for happily ever afters.

Quote from: TequilaClock;1399431So it isn't really that worth? I was being interested by the speculations of the 40's on how society would fall.

Read it and form your own opinion.

Ok

Quote from: GreyClock;1399491Snake's a sucker for happily ever afters.

Naw, I just like endings that aren't cheap.

Quote from: SnakeClock;1399500Naw, I just like endings that aren't cheap.

What's cheap about it?

Quote from: GreyClock;1399501What's cheap about it?

I dunno, it made it seem like the rest of the book was stalling for it, and it could have happened immediately. And the book only told of the most basic concepts of a totalitarian dystopia where you're always being watched, and didn't do anything engaging with the idea. And at the end, we're just where we started. The world still has no past, no present, and no future, and I fail to see why that's a problem. We didn't even feel like we went anywhere to get to that conclusion.

I suppose it was interesting to find out that the proles completely don't matter or aren't what they seem, considering how much stock Winston put into them. But like most of the book's ideas, it's left unexplored while we're whisked straight into torture scenes and the dreaded Room 101.

I dunno, I guess I couldn't believe humanity would go for this. It seems like, in the age of Google, you couldn't successfully stem information like this these days.

I'm reading "Brave New World" right now, and it's a far smarter dystopia piece. It takes a concept like mass production and applies it to truly unsettling applications, and the diction is so much more evocative. I suppose I should also read "We" soon; it predates Nineteen Eighty-Four by 30 years, but it was written deep in the Soviet Union, so no one in the west knew it existed until Nineteen Eighty-Four came out. Bit of a wrench, but I've heard good things about it.

I guess its all in imagine to be living 70 years ago and have this in your mind.

for the time the book was written it was fun, but it's written pretty poorly.

Quote from: SnakeClock;1399505And the book only told of the most basic concepts of a totalitarian dystopia where you're always being watched, and didn't do anything engaging with the idea.

You pay poor attention to detail.

Newspeak, for example, is a parody of Simplified English and like systems, because he realized that their end result was to destroy people's "problematic" range of expression, essentially disobeying articulate thought. This is a detail, and yet it is meaningful. Worthy of a movement in and of it's self.

Think about the book more, and maybe more will come up for you. It's easy. The book's plot doesn't require much thought to understand. It's purposefully blunt. So use the freed resources to ponder the more granular.

ITT reading books for the plot

I really like 1984. Newspeak sounds like l33t/chat speak.

Quote from: CrustClock;1517745ITT reading books for the plot

Yeah fuck plots who needs 'em.

Quote from: GearBoxClock;1517746I really like 1984. Newspeak sounds like l33t/chat speak.

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Everyone that doesn't like, understand, or enjoy reading this book

read it again.

The whole fucking point of the book is that if society degenerates to the point where it was in 1984's world, and the government becomes that omnipotent/ omniscient, you're fucked anyway. No escape. Sure the ending is depressing but if he had skipped the entire book and Orwell had just given us a lesson and said "don't let dystopias happen it's bad" no one would have given a fuck. Getting attached to the characters and becoming immersed in the story actually made us care when they were captured and tortured.