Quote from: RibsClock;1662076I like how House makes sure to insist condescendingly on the wrong conclusion about ten times an episode and then get praised as a genius when he stumbles upon the correct answer an inch from killing the patient every time.

Also he's funny.

I DONT SEE YOU SOLVING THE CASE

Quote from: Slurpee;1662078

hahaha

Also stop fucking saying House isn't realistic, saying a movie or show on tv is not realistic is fucking I'm a edgy teen.

You know what's better than House.

Dexter.

Quote from: Jefferson Twilight;1663971You know what's better than House.

Dexter.

I never understood the great thing about dexter. They say he has no feeling at all, but they pass off the fact that it's really hard to show somebody with 0 feelings by making him show feelings and saying he's just a reaaaaaally good actor. Also he obviously shows feelings towards both his sister and girlfriend.

I felt thet none of the characters were likable at all, plus his sister was an annoying bitch.

to clarify I only watched the first series then stopped watching for the above reasons

So far series two of dexter was my favorite

Quote from: Jefferson Twilight;1663971You know what's better than House.

Dexter.

I don't know, I like the show and all, but I've never truly felt it was anything amazing

Quote from: RibsClock;1664114It isn't realistic. I'm I'm a edgy teen.

Listen buddy I understand suspending disbelief but it certainly doesn't help in immersing me in the story when I end up going "Oh come on!" or finding things completely predictable.

House is entertaining but I dare you to tell me it doesn't follow pretty much the exact same completely bloody implausible formula each episode. And if that doesn't push the skepticism button somewhere in your brain then I don't think you ought to be calling other folks I'm a edgy teen.

It's like that because that's what people want to see ok. No one wants to see House fuck up and not find the cure, no one wants him to find the cure in 10 seconds because that would be boring. House follows the same formula as 1000 other shows (problem->process towards solution->solution), because THAT IS WHAT SELLS. Saying it isn't realistic is stating the obvious. Are you also going to say Angel isn't realistic because every episode they defeat a monster that was set up in the first minutes? Are you going to say CSI isn't realistic because they too have a problem in the beginning they fix in the end? Is NCIS also not realistic because they follow the exact same formula? That's just how TV works, if it was realistic no one would watch it.

Movies also usually follow this formula btw.

I guess you hate all shows/movies on tv.

I agree with Clam, I also would like to say an episode that follows

Problem Fixed first five minutes > House berates people for 25.

But only for one episode.... although that's actually kind of similar to how the episodes are set up now.

Or maybe an episode where House gets shot.... oh wait.

Lawrence Fishburne has been doing pretty well as the new lead, and I've actually been liking CSI again so far.

Quote from: RibsClock;1664190Britney Spears CDs sell doesn't mean I have to like it.

Comparing Britney spears to tv shows? What the fuck?

Quote from: RibsClock;1664190No because I wouldn't watch Angel.

You are missing out.

Quote from: RibsClock;1664190The thing I liked about Law and Order as opposed to CSI is Law and Order had the balls to occasionally have the criminal get off scott free or have it turn out that they got the wrong guy, or screw up in some big way and not have everything wrap itself up nice and predictable.

Not to say that it's not possible that this has happened at some point during a season finale or something on CSI, I just don't care to watch the incredibly trite crap leading up to it so there's no point coming in at the end.

You don't get that Law and Order follows the exact same formula as CSI and House and NCIS etc? The problem has still been resolved. You have the tragic resolves and the happy resolves, just because Law and Order sometimes has a tragic resolve doesn't mean that it isn't the exact same formula, because it is!

Quote from: RibsClock;1664190Hold on are you honestly telling me you watch Angel, CSI, and NCIS and enjoy them and not just tolerate them?

Angel is awesome and NCIS is something I don't mind watching if it's the only thing on. Angel is a very well written show with amazing character development in case you didn't know that. I don't like CSI but that's not because I find it implausible, it's because the subject and presentation don't do it for me.

Quote from: RibsClock;1664190I'm quite aware that the same formula rebranded over and over again works. But that doesn't mean it doesn't suck.

Stories need a structure to allow them to function. They need a formula or else the story will fall apart. If you hate this formula so much I'm curious to know what formula you do like, so please enlighten me.

Homer's Odyssey uses the same formula as House.

And I know i used the wrong words when I meant to say resolution. I hope you understand the problem not being fixed in Law and Order is still basicly the same thing as the the problem being fixed in House. Something has changed, it's just that evil triumphed over good this time.

Quote from: RibsClock;1664258Law and Order's episodes, like most stories, do start out with a specific problem (a crime) which the investigators and attorneys struggle with.

But you say "evil triumphed over good" or "good triumphed over evil" and that's the thing, that's usually not the case. It's rarely if ever that simple, and you will really never see a "happy" ending to Law & Order, it's genuinely more complex than a simple "good" or "evil", and it strongly differs from other shows in that it often isn't meant to give a feeling of closure or resolution, a lot of times the individual crimes 'resolve' revealing greater undercurrents in things that never get resolved in the show. In fact, I would even say that Law & Order intentionally leaves people feeling restless and dissatisfied at the end. Which is completely and utterly ballsy.

And that is my criticism of these other shows, they aren't. They have cookie-cutter black-and-white endings where good or evil clearly triumphs, they don't make you think about it they spoon-feed you everything so that you don't have to go through the discomfort of any sort of uncertainty or unpredictability. Even in House, the "twist" at the beginning where someone looks injured or sick but it turns out to be someone else who is really injured or sick...if you do it every friggin' episode (except the one with the orthodox Jewish woman, that I can remember) it stops being a twist and becomes a predictable routine.

Angel usually doesn't have happy endings, and the final episode was far from a happy ending. Another point that Angel has over pretty much any show is that it's not afraid to kill off main characters.

Law and Order does not always leave people restless and dissatisfied or else no one would watch it. If you watch a show where they never get anything done it soon becomes ridiculous. Is having an unresolved ending every time not the same as having a resolved ending every time?

I have watched Law and Order a couple of times and every time they caught the bad guy so...

The newborn baby episode actually had a twist ending that I did not see coming.

Also a baby died.

I liked Angel.

Not enough to watch it, but yeah.

jeez guys all the said was that in the real world house would not be tolerated and even though he is willing to suspend his disbelief for what is just a tv show, sometimes the amount of implausibilty forces his interest to wane slightly.

it's true but house is fucking cool so it's alright

THE REAL WORLD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TV OK

Quote from: RibsClock;1664489It does when it makes the show less enjoyable.

Capslock.

i will end u

CSI has gotten better since Lawrence took over

Quote from: Franklin G. Hamilton;1664541but TV world house ISNT tolerated either??

thats why vogler spent half a season trying to get house fired

thats why tritter spent half a season trying to get house fired and his medical license revoked

thats why when foreman took a house type job at another hospital, pulled a house move, got fired

thats why all the doctors in the hospital (including his own team at times) hates the shit out of him

cuddy and wilson are the only person who put up with it full time, and even wilson got sick of his shit for a good chunk of season 5

to only partly address a few of your points, it was really very implausible even in tv world that cuddy (or anyone) would turn down voglers money in favour house and even more so that cuddy (or anyone) would falsify information and risk their medical licence to get rid of tritter and keep house out of prison.

don't get me wrong those were great bits of the show and good plot points, but i did definately go "oh cmon" when these things happened