Quote from: Aidrocsid;1700861It was 65 yesterday, in Massachusetts, in December. I'll take it.

Hi Losperman.

that storm in the morning was pretty crazy though

Quote from: CadillacClock;1700854It's impossible to be effected by higher estrogen levels in the water. No, this could have no adverse effect on the male population.

The thought our bullshit nonchalance antics with the planet has no adverse effect on us is ridiculous. I mean, really, blatantly obvious point: cancer.



All of these things have and do kill people.

Hippy.

I figured Thor was being facetious.

You know whats great?

This thread probably killed more trees than the article in question did.

Or something.

Yeah the estrogen in the water thing bugs me too. Anyone bugged out by landfills? You'd think in all that garbage we could make all kinds of useful shit. I bet we could even build affordable houses instead of throwing money at companies that make houses more expensive.

On one final note what about paper bills and statements? I've asked my bank like a billion times not to send me anything, and they keep doing it. You'd think they'd want to save a few trees or some money. If I need to know how much money I'll look at it from the comfort of my own home.

Quote from: AbsintheClock;1700877Anyone bugged out by landfills? You'd think in all that garbage we could make all kinds of useful shit. .

Really land fills aren't that large of a problem. Watch the Penn & Teller bullshit episode on recycling, it has actual research and comparisons on that sort of thing.

As for why we don't make useful shit out of it, it's because it's cheaper just to start from scratch mining the raw materials. In fact, recycling often uses so much energy it's better for the environment to just make a new one.

Quote from: Aidrocsid;1700861It was 65 yesterday, in Massachusetts, in December. I'll take it.

Hi Losperman.

Hey, babykins. It's been awhile. {{{}}}

i totally called this shit like back in 2007

Quote from: CadillacClock;1700813I dislike in ways I can't describe that the debate on the environment has been reduced to the temperature. Of all the incredibly disgusting things people have done to damage this planet I've seen, temperature was not one of them.

Well, the two major factors describing different environments is precipitation and temperature, so that's sorta a major factor when talking about climate change.

Quote from: Marlin Brando;1700914Well, the two major factors describing different environments is precipitation and temperature, so that's sorta a major factor when talking about climate change.

No, the major factors are: edaphic (soil), biotic (living), and climatic (temperature, precipitation, air-pressure, wind, humidity).

Temperature isn't even a factor, it's a fragment of a factor; using it as a stand-alone topic in a climate-change based debate is like saying: "This cake won't taste as usual because the chicken that we get our eggs from laid the egg 5 minutes too soon (when compared to the norm).

Every ecology class I've ever taken describes biomes first and foremost by their average precipitation and annual temperatures.

Lots of biotic processes are determined by slim temperature gradients. If there are warmer winters, animals start having earlier reproductive cycles and that changes the whole ecosystem dynamic.

It's most of the galaxy that's heating up right about now, no need to feel personally responsible! (You know, at least for the temperature changes)

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/newsroom/20050920a.html
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2002/pluto.html
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1998/triton.html
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=469DD8F9-802A-23AD-4459-CC5C23C24651

There's hardly any articles on it because they havn't formed a solid theory for it yet, not all the planets and moons are heating simultaneously, however it appears evident there is some kind of collective change in the solar system . One theory theory is that the solar system is entering an interstellar cloud. There are plenty of others linked to mass changes with the sun, and magnetic fields. Atm, its still quite speculative, but denying change and coincidence within the galaxy is only going to get harder as most likely these changes will become more prevalent as time goes on.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1978ApJ...223..589V

things are heating up. oh baby ;];]

Quote from: Marlin Brando;1700917Every ecology class I've ever taken describes biomes first and foremost by their average precipitation and annual temperatures.

Lots of biotic processes are determined by slim temperature gradients. If there are warmer winters, animals start having earlier reproductive cycles and that changes the whole ecosystem dynamic.

There are tons of biotic processes that don't depend on atmospheric temperature or precipitation at all.

Well of course there's a difference between terrestrial biomes and aquatic biomes. I was talking about terrestrial biomes.

Quote from: Zombie Bill Murray;1700878Really land fills aren't that large of a problem. Watch the Penn & Teller bullshit episode on recycling, it has actual research and comparisons on that sort of thing.

As for why we don't make useful shit out of it, it's because it's cheaper just to start from scratch mining the raw materials. In fact, recycling often uses so much energy it's better for the environment to just make a new one.

I've seen that episode. Recycling plastic, glass, and paper is a total waste of time and energy that just creates a substandard product. I don't mean for just recycling in the traditional sense. Although aluminum is sensible. I'm talking about simpler applications like shredding plastics and using it for insulation, or other simple applications like that. I recently turned my old boots into pots for plants. In other words I encourage the re-use of raw material without changing it's chemical structure. There is plenty of shit out there that could be useful.

Landfills are not usually the problem however sometimes they are. Namely the rare times when some idiot designs them near something like well water. Believe me I have no moral problems with digging up some spot in the middle of nowhere, putting a landfill in, and putting a baseball field over it. The problem is that's not always what happens.

Onto something else that bugs the shit out of me is excessive company waste. I dunno how many of you folks drink fiji water. But if you go to fiji and drink the water there's all kinds of parasites and weird shit. Yet it's got some of the cleanest drinking water in the world. Why are the locals drinking shit water? The factories run on diesel fuel 24/7. The plastic is way thicker than any other bottled water I've ever seen and it's certainly more refined. It also takes four gallons of the same clean water to clean out these high grade plastic bottles to make a single litre bottle. I wonder where all this plastic water goes.

Plastic by the way is water soluble it just takes a tremendous force to do it. Something as tremendous as say the pacific ocean.

My dad actually works on the stuff that seals landfills from leaking into groundwater. He recently developed a material to lay in rivers in order to prevent pollutants from going into the water. It's not like proper landfills are just holes in the ground where you dump garbage, it's more like a giant methane producing trash bag.

Quote from: Marlin Brando;1701023Well of course there's a difference between terrestrial biomes and aquatic biomes. I was talking about terrestrial biomes.

What? Salamanders are terrestrial. Also, why would you even separate the two into categories if we're talking about a global issue?