Quote from: GreyClock on April 08, 2017, 12:11:19 PM
The poem makes no goddamn sense, on a number of levels. Firstly, the order of materials is weird: marble and iron don't work? Try wood! Secondly, our faulty human memory is referenced twice, before the heart suddenly emerges as the last bastion of memory? Our famously immortal, everliving hearts -as I was saying to my friend Hammurabi the other day- that continue to outlast all those flimsy marble, iron and wooden artifacts and structures. Hell, there are papyrus scrolls that are over four millennia old, and that's made from a fucking plant. If you're looking for longevity, the human heart ain't it. Not to mention that's not where you remember (or love) things anyway. It's a great example of a shitty metaphor that should've been retired decades, if not centuries ago. I love you with all my sphincter.

i know, lol.
its propaganda's poem tho, its not mine.
plus, it talks about the fleeting nature of life, and how time damages (amost) everything.
i think its beautiful.

with that being said, indeed, some of the most durable items (to write stuff onto) are: marble stones(as shown by ancient greek+roman artifacts), rocks in general(especially rolling stones), and in some occasions, parchments created out of cow's skin. (or by sheep's skin. its fucking durable). an other good material is painted wood, but it cannot last for a very long time, and our ancestors havent discovered resistant-paint yet.

but, about the realistic parts of the story, yeah, i agree with you.
my good friend sargon of akkad said the same.

i love you with all the splinters of my wooden heart!

Quote from: GreyClock on April 08, 2017, 12:11:19 PM

Quote from: BilliardBall10 on April 08, 2017, 10:47:37 AM*in reality, life is full of meaning and its 100% worth living, because its a great thing to be alive.
i know that the void exists, and the entropy is real, but i have hope, and i like life.

Get a load of this homophile... 

Quote from: PhantomCatClock on April 08, 2017, 01:12:32 PM
pome

who is this ''pome'' fellow? do you mean ''rome''?
i said ''poem'', not pome!! XD

Quote from: PhantomCatClock on April 08, 2017, 01:12:54 PM
almost a powem, but barely not

all poetic lawsuits shall go to propaganda clock, based on law(l) 1337, paragraph 7, section 3,5, based on the darkmetal poetry department. (i still liked it tho)

between Invader Zim and Psychonauts, I bet Richard Horvitz must be having a pretty good time, but it's pretty messed up they didn't get him back for Power Rangers

He's the new (as of like.. Cataclysm or Pandaland) warlock imps in World of Warcraft, which I thought was a cute touch. They're used him recently for a few other demon NPCs. Tastefully sparingly, all things considered.

that's a good use of yr horvitz

hey, when did vaporizers change from like a complicated bong you could make out of a lightbulb into battery powered plastic sticks?
I thought those were called e-cigarettes and everybody had made their mind up that they hated them

in the social coolness pecking order, complicated customizable bongs:Flash and Photoshop::battery powered plastic stick:Paint and Movie Maker

Quote from: Slurpee on April 09, 2017, 12:58:50 AM
hey, when did vaporizers change from like a complicated bong you could make out of a lightbulb into battery powered plastic sticks?
I thought those were called e-cigarettes and everybody had made their mind up that they hated them

E-cig carries the baggage of the social stigma against normal cigarettes, so 'vape' just assumed the role of catch-all term.

Vaping makes you look like a bigger tool than plain ol smoking imo

the reason it's so complicated and has a battery is because of the mind control chip that makes you blow it in a baby's face and say "IT'S JUST VAPOR BRO"



no real agenda there, it really is just to make you look like a tool. A hi-tech, profitable prank.

Samson and Delilah feels more like a Greek myth than a bible story

 it's just so fucking WEIRD.Moses and Noah and Abraham and Job have like a clear purpose w/r/t one God and the things you need to know about what he's like, and Samson is like "don't trust dames!! they'll cut yr magic hair off and you'll lose yor super strength!!!!"

in terms of completely arbitrary magic powers, completely arbitrary weaknesses, and an unhealthy view of women, it's right up there with "aha you ate a pomegranate, now you have to stay with me in hell for half the year" and "poseidon raped you? have snakes for hair!"

I guess Lot is pretty weird, too, but it's about like swift divine judgement and doing what's right above what's popular and then getting raped by your hot daughters

Quote from: Slurpee on April 09, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
it's just so fucking WEIRD.Moses and Noah and Abraham and Job have like a clear purpose w/r/t one God and the things you need to know about what he's like, and Samson is like "don't trust dames!! they'll cut yr magic hair off and you'll lose yor super strength!!!!"

i dont know about you but this has generally been my experience with dames

Quote from: Slurpee on April 09, 2017, 03:12:53 PM
Samson and Delilah feels more like a Greek myth than a bible story

indeed, it does.

in fact, it reminds me of hercules death:

you see, according to sophocle's trachiniae, after defeating achelous(god of the acheloos river), heracles takes deianira as his wife.
later, after hercules arrives to tirynia/tiryns, a centaur named nessus offers to help deianira across a deep river while hercules swims though it.
however, nessus tries to steal deianira away while hercules is still swimming in the river.
ofcourse, hercules is furious with all this and he shoots nessus with arrows dipped in the (poisonous) blood of the lernean hydra. BUT! centaur nessus wants revenge; so, he gives to deianira his blood-soaked tunic before he dies, telling her it will ''excite the love of her husband''.

many years later, rumor tells deianira that she has a rival for the love of hercules.
then, deianira, remembers nessus' words(or she's just furious), gives to hercules the bloodstained shirt of nessus.

so, lichas(a herald), delivers the shirt to hercules.
but, the shirt is covered in the hydra's blood(from hercules arrows) and this poisons him, tearing his skin apart and exposing his bones. obviously, hercules is suffering from excruciating pain, so
he throws lichas into the sea, (because he thought that HE was the one who poisoned him, but in reality, it was all deianira's jealousy, and in other versions of the myth, she planned to do this on purpose instead of gullibly believing nessus words about ''the shirt's sexual powers''.)

SO, before he dies, hercules uproots several trees and builds a funeral pyre on mount oeta,  on which poeas(father of philoctetes), lights.
as hercules body burns, only his immortal side is left, but through zeus apotheosis, hercules rises to olympus as he dies. (i.e. he becomes immortal+healthy again).

as to who put light into hercule's funeral pyre, some versions say that it was poeas, others claim that it was iolaus, and in some versions it was philoctetes (poeas son).
ANYWAY! for his actions, philoctetes(or poeas/iolaus) received hercules bow and arrows, which were later used by the greeks, in order to defeat troy in the trojan war.

tl;tr dont piss off a woman. it will not end well.

This is good! But what is best in life?

Quote from: BilliardBall10 on April 09, 2017, 08:06:38 PM

Quote from: Slurpee on April 09, 2017, 03:12:53 PM
Samson and Delilah feels more like a Greek myth than a bible story

indeed, it does.

in fact, it reminds me of hercules death:

you see, according to sophocle's trachiniae, after defeating achelous(god of the acheloos river), heracles takes deianira as his wife.
later, after hercules arrives to tirynia/tiryns, a centaur named nessus offers to help deianira across a deep river while hercules swims though it.
however, nessus tries to steal deianira away while hercules is still swimming in the river.
ofcourse, hercules is furious with all this and he shoots nessus with arrows dipped in the (poisonous) blood of the lernean hydra. BUT! centaur nessus wants revenge; so, he gives to deianira his blood-soaked tunic before he dies, telling her it will ''excite the love of her husband''.

many years later, rumor tells deianira that she has a rival for the love of hercules.
then, deianira, remembers nessus' words(or she's just furious), gives to hercules the bloodstained shirt of nessus.

so, lichas(a herald), delivers the shirt to hercules.
but, the shirt is covered in the hydra's blood(from hercules arrows) and this poisons him, tearing his skin apart and exposing his bones. obviously, hercules is suffering from excruciating pain, so
he throws lichas into the sea, (because he thought that HE was the one who poisoned him, but in reality, it was all deianira's jealousy, and in other versions of the myth, she planned to do this on purpose instead of gullibly believing nessus words about ''the shirt's sexual powers''.)

SO, before he dies, hercules uproots several trees and builds a funeral pyre on mount oeta,  on which poeas(father of philoctetes), lights.
as hercules body burns, only his immortal side is left, but through zeus apotheosis, hercules rises to olympus as he dies. (i.e. he becomes immortal+healthy again).

as to who put light into hercule's funeral pyre, some versions say that it was poeas, others claim that it was iolaus, and in some versions it was philoctetes (poeas son).
ANYWAY! for his actions, philoctetes(or poeas/iolaus) received hercules bow and arrows, which were later used by the greeks, in order to defeat troy in the trojan war.

tl;tr dont piss off a woman. it will not end well.

I forgot about Hercules 1990s tv show

Quote from: Slurpee on April 09, 2017, 03:14:07 PM
in terms of completely arbitrary magic powers, completely arbitrary weaknesses, and an unhealthy view of women, it's right up there with "aha you ate a pomegranate, now you have to stay with me in hell for half the year" and "poseidon raped you? have snakes for hair!"

well, the story of the ''aha you ate a pomegranate, now you have to stay with me in hell for half the year'', is actually the story of how persephone(daughter of demeter) got tricked by hades(god of the underworld).
one day, while she was gathering flowers on a field, hades popped out of a nearby hole in the ground, and abducted persephone, taking her with him on the underworld. (because she was beautiful+he fell in love* with her)
demeter tried to find her daughter, and her despair was so great, that nothing grew from the earth(since demeter was the godess of the earth/plants/of harvest).
eventually, helios helps her to find persephone, but hades won't give her back; so, other gods+people ask from zeus to help demeter, and zeus forces hades to give percephone back.
but hades is a cunning bastard and gives to persephone seeds of pomegranate to eat before he releases her; thus, she have done a grave error (because, according to ancient greek lore, if you ate food in the underworld you would be forced to spend 1/3 of the year in there).

so! persephone was free to live above, with the other gods during the 2/3rd's of the year (spring-summer+in start of autumn), and she then had to spend the 1/3rd of the year in the underworld, (autumn-winter), which according to the myth, was obvious, due demeters sadness that made the land cold+without flowers.

in later versions of the myth, persephone stays half a year above, with the other gods, and the other half below, in the underworld. still, the good half (spring-summer) and the ''bad'' half (autumn-winter) of the year are identical elements in all of the versions of the myth.(both old and new).

tl;tr its a symbolism for the best seasons(spring-summer) and the coldest/harshest ones(autumn-winter) and the contrast between growth(blooming nature,fruits, harvest) and decay(cold, no fruits, empty fields).

also:

Quote from: Slurpee on April 09, 2017, 03:14:07 PM
and ''poseidon raped you? have snakes for hair!''!"

thats the myth of medusa.

well, in some versions of the myth, medusa was one of the most beautiful gorgons, and other women were jealous of her, so they cursed her to become ugly+with snakes for hair.
in an other version, she sleeps with poseidon, and one of his wives curses her to become ugly+with snakes for hair.

however, in one of the most ''organised'' versions of the myth, medusa is one of the most beautiful gorgons, and poseidon rapes her in the temple of athena.
athena then gets angry and thinks that medusa did this on purpose, so she transforms her into a monster, with a hideous face and with snakes-for-hair.
(in other versions tho, athena does that in order to protect medusa from future suitors/rapists).

eventually, king porydectes steals perseus throne and wants to marry his mother, so he blackmails perseus to do some ''tasks'' for him, one of them being the (impossible) task of killing the medusa.
thankfully for perseus tho, the gods help him with some cool gadgets: (hades invisibility helmet,
(one of)athena's shield(s), herme's flying sandals, and a great sword forged by hephaestus).
last but not least, when perseus beheads medusa, two creatures are born from her blood:
the winged horse pegasus, and the giant chrysaor.

to be fair tho, in most stories of the ancient greek mythology, virtue+bravery is rewarded, while bad actions such as rape+malice are punished, in most cases with gods sending ppl in tartarus. (tartarus=ancient greek hell).

*true love is never like this, ofcourse. hades was a dark, dark dude.

Quote from: RobClock on April 09, 2017, 08:11:25 PM
This is good! But what is best in life?

crush enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women.






PS: also free porn and flash movies

Quote from: RobClock on April 09, 2017, 08:11:25 PM
This is good! But what is best in life?

THE OPEN STEPPE
FLEET HORSE
FALCONS AT YOUR WRIST
AND THE WIND IN YOUR HAIR