Initiative to Establish a Rule Regulating Moderation in the Debate Forum

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

Remember when Grey made fun of Triangle and others in flash? It caused a fucking shitstorm.

Shitstorm equals fun. I think we need to accept the fact that activity dwindles when we don't have some huge polarizing issue to rage about.

Its kinda true. I had so much fun after camel day got deleted by wade when everybody was flipping their shit and attacking rupee.

[Asshatclock]

Sooo albinoclockxcorpsegrinder hentai day ?

[WiiClock]

without reading any of this thread

which option in the poll goes against corpsegrinder

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

Sooo albinoclockxcorpsegrinder hentai day ?

I'm all for it.

[pop-tart]

Shitstorm equals fun. I think we need to accept the fact that activity dwindles when we don't have some huge polarizing issue to rage about.

The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect. It was a work of art. Flawless. Sublime. A triumph only equaled by its monumental failure.

[I1I1I1I1I1I1I11111I1I1I1IIIIIII1I1I1I1I11I]

yah, don't argue, just animate. if all of you animated all the drama that happens here, we'd be a lot more productive.

[Sinister Clock]

Everytime I come here the poll is like neck and neck, it's crazy.

[pop-tart]

Precipitating incident aside, there is some merit in the idea that the debate forum can become passionate and a moderator could indeed abuse their position if they lacked the maturity not to do so. To be honest, it doesn't look like that's what happened here... though I do feel there was some overreacting and melodramatics on both sides.

I don't feel a rule regulating this concern is neccessary when you have over a dozen staff members that would deem that unethical and would not take that lightly.

Peanut Butter's comment of 'which option is anti-Ribs' is an example of why I voted no. We can not personalize initiatives and rules. If you feel a moderator is violating the rules or performing their duties biasedly... reach out to another staff member like myself and we will take it to the hill for you.

[VCRClock]

a few opening remarks which I have no desire to justify or debate about:

- the debate forum is stupid as all hell
- we're an animation/bullshit community; you are arguing with joe college
- current debate forum threads seem hand-picked to generate controversy (it is a sad day when clock crew activity is so little that we've decided to let serious "does god exist" and "is abortion ok" threads fly)
- delete the debate forum

this thread was painful to read and I don't blame wii for skipping every post at all

if y'all are going to get this riled up, write walls of text and spend 50% of your post accusing the other poster of "ad hominem" or otherwise being a bad debater, you probably shouldn't be posting in the debate forum to begin with

that being said this appears to be a poster-specific problem rather than a regularly-occurring general problem that requires legislative action

knock it off

[Kombucha]

- the debate forum is stupid as all hell
- we're an animation/bullshit community; you are arguing with joe college
- current debate forum threads seem hand-picked to generate controversy (it is a sad day when clock crew activity is so little that we've decided to let serious "does god exist" and "is abortion ok" threads fly)
- delete the debate forum

[Sinister Clock]

- delete all of the forums

[zl]

If the idea of our debate forum is we must have an exemplary, polite and unbiased space to debate controversial issues, how about we scrap it and point people to a forum or site where that's the point?

Debating stuff seems to me mainly a hygenic activity - farting out the opinions that have been stewing in your brain. Or just aggressively shouting at somebody to let out steam.

Having an actually productive debate - the kind where people learn things and change their minds - takes careful moderation and a shared understanding by everyone involved that we're going to learn something here.  Setting up that space means having a good conversation arbiter and a way to boot out people who just want to do some hygenic farting or shouting.  That's work, could even take training, and why should we devote that energy at all? What does that have to do with this site?  

Albino, you're right, having a moderating role as well as a discussion role confounds reasonable debate.  But do you really expect the cc to be an oasis of reasonable discussion in desert of the internet?  The clockcrew that I've seen has never been at its best when it takes itself seriously.

[Sinister Clock]

I disagree with you all.

[DWARFINATORclock]

Initiative to ban mods that actually do their job from posting

this is funny cause everyone would still be able to post

yah, don't argue, just animate. if all of you animated all the drama that happens here, we'd be a lot more productive.

fuck off

Pros:
A moderator who gets too caught up in their participation in the discussion would be unable to hypothetically abuse their privileges, meaning that the staff don't have to go through the effort of voting on a ban appeal or banning a mod.

Cons:
It doesn't remove the bias at all, they'd still be able to read the thread and warn people for misbehaving and hold biased opinions and let them color their judgment, it just means they won't be able to comment on the discussion or, if they do comment, will not be able to deal with abuse when it arises, making it take longer to deal with and shifting the problem to another staff member.

It also doesn't mean that the person wouldn't be able to simply PM another moderator and request that they ban the person.

Essentially, it exists basically as a forum-wide ban from participation in the debate forum for any mod that intends to actually do their job. And that's stupid.

so basically all mods are too biased to do their jobs properly?

ad hominem red herring slippery slope strawman

[Topcatyo]

this is funny cause everyone would still be able to post

so basically all mods are too biased to do their jobs properly?

no, he's saying that making a mod not post in a thread doesn't remove the bias.  if you wanna get rid of bias completely we would have to have robots for mods

ad hominem red herring slippery slope strawman

omg banned

[DWARFINATORclock]

no, he's saying that making a mod not post in a thread doesn't remove the bias.  if you wanna get rid of bias completely we would have to have robots for mods

i dont think thats what hes saying at all i think hes saying that hes so biased he cant be mod anymore

omg banned

ronald donald will protect me!!!!!!

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

fuck off

Dwarfinator takes offense to being told to make flash instead of drama you heard it here first folks.

[DWARFINATORclock]

Dwarfinator takes offense to being told to make flash instead of drama you heard it here first folks.

no im tired of people saying "hey guyz dont argue just animate!!!!" but even worse are the people that say "just animate the drama it will be cool". animating this lame ass drama wont result in quality and youd have to be an idiot to suggest it

and yeah i also take offensive to "mightyboosh" telling anyone what to do because hes pathetic and stupid

[Sinister Clock]

I have to contradict my previous post and agree with Dwarfinator.

[Topcatyo]

i made a flash about cc drama once.