Connecticut Elementary School Shooting 27 Killed

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

Regardless, there wont be any substantial changes in our gun laws for a very long time. It's political suicide to even mention any kind of reform. Most voters would give up free speech before their right to own a gun.

[d u m p y]

i've decided my new catchphrase is "imma go connecticut kindergarten on yo ass"Ã,®

[Lump Clock]

i've decided my new catchphrase is "imma go connecticut kindergarten on yo ass"Ã,®

You know, despite how much this is in bad taste it is still really really funny.

[AlbinoClock]

Political suicide? Literal suicide. And with damn good reason. You go ahead and call 'em toys, Slurpee. Shows how well you know your history.

[miracle fruit]

albinoclock is wrong and slurpeeclock is right

[buttplug]

slurpeeclock is wrong and albinoclock is right

what a great conversation

[AlbinoClock]

and miraclefruitclock is no smarter than we'd expect

[pop-tart]

WBC just announced they're gonna picket the funerals of these kids. Ughhhhhhhhhh.

Gotta love this
 
http://vimeo.com/55671721#at=0

http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpaste2/index.php?65e2832b96b888e3#Uxqr8wrq3ljskOY76+ubZQvSmcEtYCbIfZBqWpaGcMI=

[miracle fruit]

and miraclefruitclock is no smarter than we'd expect

[HeinekenClock]

In regard to Robââ,¬â,,¢s post and Patriotââ,¬â,,¢s response, I agree that that video was completely inappropriate to post but I understand the sentiment behind it. Patriot, you are correct in saying gun violence isnââ,¬â,,¢t just an American thing, but if anyone had told me today that 20 kids were shot dead in an elementary school and asked me where it had happened, I couldââ,¬â,,¢ve told you it was the U.S. This is because this sort of thing happens awfully disproportionately more often in America than anywhere else.

To counter Albinoââ,¬â,,¢s points:

• ââ,¬Â¦anyone can make a bomb. Bombs, of course, tend to kill many more people than guns.

Itââ,¬â,,¢s quite difficult to build a bomb that will kill anyone but the people standing directly besides it. Also, bombs donââ,¬â,,¢t kill as many people as guns do on a yearly basis. Itââ,¬â,,¢s quite telling you came up with an example from three quarters of a century ago when there have been several fatal mass shootings in recent years.

• Do you really think any politician in this country can try to repeal the second amendment and survive? They'd have to be damn idealistic to try itââ,¬Â¦

True, and a great example of the shameful state your democracy is in, when politicians cower before an industry which would rather see kids dead than lose money. Go capitalism.

• (Paraphrased) gun kill less people than suicides, car crashes and smoking.

Great argument for suicide prevention, crumple zones and educating people about the harms of smoking. Doesnââ,¬â,,¢t make guns any less lethal, and shooting deaths any less pointless.

• It might well be that a few cities might just erupt into warzones.

Come on now. That canââ,¬â,,¢t possibly be anything other than something you pulled out of your ass. Is this genuine cause for concern? Who says this?

Slurpee is right: how many people have to die so you can shoot  a gun? You can shoot guns over here too, in gun ranges. Why do you need them in your home, your place of work, on the street and in your school? And donââ,¬â,,¢t say ââ,¬Å"to defend myself from bad guys with gunsââ,¬Â because in countries with sensible gun control laws, youââ,¬â,,¢d be surprised at how often youââ,¬â,,¢re robbed at gunpoint (so far, never).

Finally, United States gun laws have sensible roots, from a time where you had to defend your home because the law couldnââ,¬â,,¢t always be there. From a time where, after each shot, you had to reload your rifle which only had an effective range of 20-30 feet. It wasnââ,¬â,,¢t written in this time where the police is practically in your living room all the time. It wasnââ,¬â,,¢t written in this time where, in a matter of seconds, you can fire dozens of bullets hundreds of feet with horrible precision. Itââ,¬â,,¢s time for Americans to stop asking ââ,¬Å"do guns make us safer?ââ,¬Â and go with the answer the rest of the civilized world has come up with: a resounding ââ,¬Å"of course notââ,¬Â.

[AlbinoClock]

Nope. Ain't gonna happen.
 
Also, Switzerland called. It said you're full of shit.
 
And yes a revolution sparked by any remote attempt to confiscate firearms from Americans is a genuine concern. And it's not about industry, it's about people with guns. Any politician who was actually on track to passing a firearm ban would be rather likely to get shot. Do you know how many "I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands" bumperstickers there are in this country?
 
The most that will come of this is a law requiring that rifles be registered in CT, and that's a token effort because it wouldn't have changed a damn thing.

[PezClock]

Oh yeah? What's Five Factorial?

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

Gotta love this
 
http://vimeo.com/55671721#at=0

http://www.anonpaste.me/anonpaste2/index.php?65e2832b96b888e3#Uxqr8wrq3ljskOY76+ubZQvSmcEtYCbIfZBqWpaGcMI=

Hell yes

[d u m p y]

You know, despite how much this is in bad taste it is still really really funny.

[Thor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


Sittin pretty at number 12.


But hey, if we take away our guns then only criminals will have guns and they'll shoot everyone and be unstoppable. America only has a 37 times higher per capita gun fatality rate than the United Kingdom because uhhhhhhhhh.....

[d u m p y]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


Sittin pretty at number 12.


But hey, if we take away our guns then only criminals will have guns and they'll shoot everyone and be unstoppable. America only has a 37 times higher per capita gun fatality rate than the United Kingdom because uhhhhhhhhh.....

but howabout america's standing in relation to canada's? unfortunately i think it's a more complicated social issue than just guns but of course that's a part of the problem, but i really don't think it'd be that substantial of a change if we illegalized them. don't get me wrong, i certainly wish we would regardless.

[Thor]

but howabout america's standing in relation to canada's? unfortunately i think it's a more complicated social issue than just guns but of course that's a part of the problem, but i really don't think it'd be that substantial of a change if we illegalized them. don't get me wrong, i certainly wish we would regardless.

I don't know what you mean. Canada has extremely loose gun laws like America does, and they also have extremely high gun fatalities. They may have less gun deaths than america, but they still have way more than countries with reasonable gun laws like the UK or Japan

[d u m p y]

I don't know what you mean. Canada has extremely loose gun laws like America does, and they also have extremely high gun fatalities. They may have less gun deaths than america, but they still have way more than countries with reasonable gun laws like the UK or Japan

i guess this is true. i just feel like america has something specifically wrong with it beyond just gun laws that makes this shit happen. like, i mean, ownership of a gun alone doesn't make you go "hey, shit, let's go shoot some kids today."
i think it's really important that somebody try to figure out a way to determine what it is that's going on that causes people to be put in that extreme mindset where they think shit like that is okay.

i dunno lol i'm talking out of my ass

[Thor]

i guess this is true. i just feel like america has something specifically wrong with it beyond just gun laws that makes this shit happen. like, i mean, ownership of a gun alone doesn't make you go "hey, shit, let's go shoot some kids today."
i think it's really important that somebody try to figure out a way to determine what it is that's going on that causes people to be put in that extreme mindset where they think shit like that is okay.

i dunno lol i'm talking out of my ass

The thing is, other countries have school attacks too. Some more frequently than America, like China which has like 10 a year. They just use knives instead of guns and the US media doesn't report it because who cares about brown kids AMIRITE?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_related_to_primary_schools

[AlbinoClock]

The UK, which has much stricter gun laws, had 772 killings of which 39 were with guns in 2011, and has a population of 62,641,000.  The US, conversely had 8583 gun killings in 2011, and 4087 killings of other types. More than twice as many shootings as any other kind of killing. In the UK you have a 1 in 81,141 chance of being murdered, whereas in the US it's 1 in 23,975. The chance that you'll be murdered by some method other than a gun in the UK is 1 in 85,458, whereas in the US it's 1 in 76,351. So you're about 11% more likely to be stabbed or bludgeoned or whatever to death in the US than you are in the UK already and we haven't even accounted for all those would-be stabbings and bludgeonings that are shootings due to the availability of guns. We can't really know what those numbers would look like, but I'm going to guess that we'd still come out quite a bit more violent and not see nearly as large a decrease in the murder rate as 8.5k.
 
Something is happening in the US that goes beyond guns. The standard of living is low, there are widespread impoverished areas riddled with organized crime and rife with turf conflicts. There are areas of some of ours cities that have been abandoned by police. It's not the guns, it's the squalor.
 
It's kind of ridiculous that people only talk about problems with the murder rate when they feel like banning guns because the people who got shot that day were white. Want to drop the murder rate? End the drug war, fight poverty, combat institutional racism. Trying to enact a firearm ban is not only a pipe dream but one that would be ineffective if you ever managed it.
 
The UK is also on a little island. It's a lot harder to police what happens in a huge wide open space than it is to police what happens on a little island.