Humanity failed the moment we made eSports acceptable.

[GreyClock]

You're right, life is inherently meaningless.  It falls on us to create our own meaning.  I place my meaning within the relationships I have with other people.  There's something incredible about being able to rely on others, just as they know they can rely on you.  I think a healthy and mutual friendship is the greatest experience you can have in this life.

That's the granddaddy of (ig)noble pursuits. You're creating dick. Every last one of us, we're doing time in this prison of consciousness. It's a life sentence, spent in solitary confinement.

Or, indeed, fart.

[Schmellements Clawk]

That's the granddaddy of (ig)noble pursuits. You're creating dick. Every last one of us, we're doing time in this prison of consciousness. It's a life sentence, spent in solitary confinement.

Or, indeed, fart.

Do you need a hug?

[RobClock]

You're right, life is inherently meaningless.  It falls on us to create our own meaning.  I place my meaning within the relationships I have with other people.  There's something incredible about being able to rely on others, just as they know they can rely on you.  I think a healthy and mutual friendship is the greatest experience you can have in this life.

That's the granddaddy of (ig)noble pursuits. You're creating dick. Every last one of us, we're doing time in this prison of consciousness. It's a life sentence, spent in solitary confinement.

Or, indeed, fart.

https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/747790

vote five

[VCRClock]

Height doesn't put you at a disadvantage when it comes to physical sports usually either, with a few exceptions.  There's been plenty of professional short athletes that I can respect, because they train and have to prepare mentally twice as hard.

Short basketball players are the exception, not the rule. I believe the same goes for volleyball. Just because Muggsy Bogues made it doesn't mean other basketball players his height aren't at a disadvantage. That's what "having to train twice as hard" means.

High body mass is important for most positions in American football. On the flip side, if you have a football player's build, that won't do much to help you in baseball.

None of this matters in esports.

[PhantomCatClock]

height gives you a distinct disadvantage in competitive Magic: the Gathering, but I don't know if that's the same thing as an eSport

[RobClock]

height gives you a distinct disadvantage in competitive Magic: the Gathering, but I don't know if that's the same thing as an eSport

[PhantomCatClock]

Fun fact, that guy played real competitive matches for money and taking all those buttcrack pictures got him banned for 18 months from all competitive play, even just local FNMs

[PhantomCatClock]

(which is still "competitive" but the prize is a couple booster packs)

[GreyClock]

Haha I didn't even notice at first. There's more? Like, he actively went out to take these pictures? If ever there was a hero for our modern age.

[PhantomCatClock]

Haha I didn't even notice at first. There's more? Like, he actively went out to take these pictures? If ever there was a hero for our modern age.

yes, and it was the third-highest rated post on reddit for years

[Thor]

I agree with you, which is why it shouldn't be a spectacle on TV, nor should people try to compare it to actual sports.  I have no problem with people that enjoy streaming it, it's only when they think eChamps are comparable to actual sport professionals and worship them as such.

There's no good reason "real" sportsmen should be worshiped and payed massive amounts of money, either. These days being a top level sportsman isn't even healthy; they usually end up with may crippling injuries and often brain damage by the time they're in their mid 30s. Thankfully they're able to live a good life still due to their ridiculous income. The only positive of sports being popular is that it encourages some kids to get up off their fat ass and exercise.

Not that I particularly dislike sports, I just don't see how it's somehow a "good" thing. Just seems like a neutral thing that some people like to watch, like eSports or cat videos.

[Thor]

I disagree that "how fast you can press buttons" isn't a factor, even if we're strictly talking multiplayer gaming and not people who do speed runs

I meant in terms of the highest level of competition. Anybody who's actually a real competitor for anything with a cash prize or who people actually stream has already long surpassed the level where input speed is a limiting factor. Like, if somebody was having troubles pulling off a hadoken, you aren't going to see them at a Street Fighter competition. Granted, some speedruns require a lot of extremely difficult timing things that are down to 1/60th of a second and you don't get a second chance and even the "best" fuck it up sometimes.

So for example, in competitive Star Craft how fast you press buttons is vital, but anybody who's actually any good is already way past fast enough so it's not a factor in competitions.

[Thor]

that's right, everybody else moved on but I'm still arguing about 12 year olds watching some cunt playing Fortnite

[VCRClock]

Like, if somebody was having troubles pulling off a hadoken, you aren't going to see them at a Street Fighter competition.

stop making fun of me

[RobClock]

I agree with you, which is why it shouldn't be a spectacle on TV, nor should people try to compare it to actual sports.  I have no problem with people that enjoy streaming it, it's only when they think eChamps are comparable to actual sport professionals and worship them as such.

There's no good reason "real" sportsmen should be worshiped and payed massive amounts of money, either. These days being a top level sportsman isn't even healthy; they usually end up with may crippling injuries and often brain damage by the time they're in their mid 30s. Thankfully they're able to live a good life still due to their ridiculous income. The only positive of sports being popular is that it encourages some kids to get up off their fat ass and exercise.

Not that I particularly dislike sports, I just don't see how it's somehow a "good" thing. Just seems like a neutral thing that some people like to watch, like eSports or cat videos.

This is why baseball is the best sport

[Thor]

Yeah, baseball is pretty good in terms of injuries. Some people get fucked up wrists but that's potatoes compared to the ravages American and Association Football put on their players.

This is a pretty contentious statement but I honestly don't think football should be allowed as a sport in American schools or collages. The evidence for brain damage is just too damning. Any sport that causes permanent brain damage as a result of normal gameplay shouldn't be practiced by minors.

[Schmellements Clawk]

There's no good reason "real" sportsmen should be worshiped and payed massive amounts of money, either.

These days being a top level sportsman isn't even healthy; they usually end up with may crippling injuries and often brain damage by the time they're in their mid 30s. Thankfully they're able to live a good life still due to their ridiculous income. The only positive of sports being popular is that it encourages some kids to get up off their fat ass and exercise.

You pretty much just answered yourself.  Do you know how much work and effort goes into being an athlete?

Not that I particularly dislike sports, I just don't see how it's somehow a "good" thing. Just seems like a neutral thing that some people like to watch, like eSports or cat videos.

They're nothing alike.  One reason why people look up to them so much, is because many of them work their asses off for the sake of the sport and entertainment.  There's a few athletes that came from rough upbringings, and people that told them they didn't expect them to make it.  For many athletes, they're going against all odds and becoming something a lot of people wish to strive for — a testament of human strength and endurance.

With eSports, you just have guys learning the mechanics sitting in a chair with constant dopamine hits.  To compare that to an actual athlete is laughable at best.

[Thor]

There are plenty of poor people that work way harder than sportsmen. If that's the value in watching it, why aren't you watching videos of chinese sweat shop workers?

[Schmellements Clawk]

There are plenty of poor people that work way harder than sportsmen. If that's the value in watching it, why aren't you watching videos of chinese sweat shop workers?

Forced manual labor is different than living a extremely strict lifestyle that begins at 5 AM and doesn't even stop once you're ready for bed.

[Thor]

Ultimately, the reason people like sports is because it's fun to watch. Everything else is just a post-rationalization. People don't watch sports because it's inspiring or because its such hard work. They watch it because it's an enjoyable spectacle.