So what's up with...

[Biggskoo]

you're all terrible posters and terrible people

[BobbyClock]

you're all terrible posters and terrible people

I've been led here by example

[DoxosopherClock]

I don't have time to reply to all of these threads individually, so I'll be brief.


To the ones that are arguing that the scientific method is not dogmatic and is completely valid:


You are wrong. The scientific method has become nothing more than a contemporary religion; it is the catholic church of our times. It preaches an infallible doctrine, and anyone who attempts to dispute it is labeled as ignorant or stupid-- just as you are doing to me. However, the scientific method is based on assumptions-- the assumption that human logic and rationality, as well as empiricism, as the correct methods of approaching a problem. While this may yield as certain results, such as in the fields of chemistry and engineering, that are good for the advancement of techno-industrial society-- which I do not necessarily believe in-- it has not and will never (as far as I can tell) answer the more important metaphysical questions. When science tells me what the purpose of life is, or what existed before this existence, then perhaps I will respect science a bit more. But it will never do that.


Second:

You need to be careful when you call people ignorant, lest you look like a moron yourself. I don't try to play off the whole erudition label like some of you are attempting to do-- notice I said attempting. In the grand scheme of things, all of us are truly ignorant. Intelligence means nothing due to the fact that knowledge is infinite and no matter how much knowledge one gains, it does not change the fact that this collection of knowledge is finite. Any number divided by infinite is infinitesimal. There is truly no difference between Stephen Hawking and a mentally I'm a edgy teen person if you look at things in universal terms. I've actually been pretty fucking polite to the lot of you whom have shown nothing but true ignorance yourself. You have done nothing but imbue this with ignorance and intolerance..

Third:

The thing that I brought up about eternal recurrence was just for fucking shits and giggles! Get over it! I wasn't trying to say that I actually believed that to be true. I was making conversation for christ's sake! This is is the first time that I've been back to to Clock Crew in like three years, so I wanted to see what was going on. There's not reason for all this shit.


I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance.
 -Socrates




Stop trying to argue with me, because  I really don't care. I came here to make Clock movies, and to watch Clock movies.


Thanks.

[camoclock is a great man]

yeah i didn't read that but i'm just going to say stay out of the chat

[Slurpee]

I pooed in my toy box and no one knows it was me.

[AlbinoClock]

You are wrong. The scientific method has become nothing more than a contemporary religion; it is the catholic church of our times. It preaches an infallible doctrine, and anyone who attempts to dispute it is labeled as ignorant or stupid-- just as you are doing to me.

Wrong. The scientific method does not "preach". It in and of itself states nothing. Individual scientists make claims based on evidence and other scientists either accept or reject those claims after examining them and repeating the experiment. Scientific claims can be incorrect, but the scientific method is fucking not and you don't seem to get the difference between the two. People being dogmatic is just people being dogmatic, it has nothing to do with science.

However, the scientific method is based on assumptions-- the assumption that human logic and rationality, as well as empiricism, as the correct methods of approaching a problem.

As I already mentioned, we have to assume that we're interpreting reality in a somewhat accurate manner in order to collect data. Using that data we can attempt to learn more about what's going on and accomplish things using that knowledge. This works, undoubtedly. That we're having this conversation on the internet is undeniable evidence of this fact.

While this may yield as certain results, such as in the fields of chemistry and engineering, that are good for the advancement of techno-industrial society-- which I do not necessarily believe in-- it has not and will never (as far as I can tell) answer the more important metaphysical questions.

Again, the scientific method does not answer questions, it is a way of discovering the answer to questions. It can be applied to metaphysical phenomena if that phenomena can be experienced just as easily as it can be applied to physical phenomena. Again, as with physical phenomena, one must simply assume that the tools of perception are operating as they should be. The problem with metaphysics comes in verification beyond the experiences of one researcher, because subjective psychological/spiritual states cannot be described accurately enough to make much headway in terms of comparison.

When science tells me what the purpose of life is, or what existed before this existence, then perhaps I will respect science a bit more. But it will never do that.

Science won't tell you a thing. Scientific data will tell you a whole lot. Unfortunately you want information that we don't have yet. That's like being pissed that the Clock Crew can't tell you how to get your particle accelerator working.

You need to be careful when you call people ignorant, lest you look like a moron yourself.

Anybody who says science is worthless while posting on the internet is an ignorant motherfucker.

I don't try to play off the whole erudition label like some of you are attempting to do-- notice I said attempting. In the grand scheme of things, all of us are truly ignorant. Intelligence means nothing due to the fact that knowledge is infinite and no matter how much knowledge one gains, it does not change the fact that this collection of knowledge is finite. Any number divided by infinite is infinitesimal.

You're just making meaningless claims and acting like it's significant. Come the fuck on, man. You're not even saying anything.

There is truly no difference between Stephen Hawking and a mentally I'm a edgy teen person if you look at things in universal terms.

You're a fucking idiot.

I've actually been pretty fucking polite to the lot of you whom have shown nothing but true ignorance yourself. You have done nothing but imbue this with ignorance and intolerance.

I did nothing but try to get some dumb fuck who hates science off of the IRC server.

Stop trying to argue with me, because  I really don't care. I came here to make Clock movies, and to watch Clock movies.

You're the one who decided to whine about it in a thread.

[DoxosopherClock]

I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand. Your using a rather lame argument of semantics-- which I have chosen to stray away from for obvious reasons-- to refute my argument. It's pretty fucking obvious that when I said that science preaches I did not mean the abstraction of science itself; it was clearly in reference to the majority of society and academia who follows its principles. Can I make that anymore clear? And for the record I don't intend to say that scientific data can be incorrect-- which is again extremely obvious-- but I mean, and said, that the scientific method lacks validity. CAN YOU GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD? THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD IN ITSELF MAY BE INCORRECT DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT BASED ON THE PREMISE THAT HUMAN LOGIC AND RATIONALITY ARE CORRECT IN THEMSELVES.

Your assumption that our interpretation of reality is the only interpretation or the correct one is a HUGE assumption. The way that we perceive objects is probably drastically different than how they exist in reality, and they could possibly be perceived in an infinite number of ways. Your example of using the internet isn't that great. It proves that we are clever enough to utilize our natural environment. A beaver can build a dam; we can build a computer. What's your point? We all die after a very short amount of time, and any technological advancement made by science has been utterly useless on us. Our time in universal time is infinitesimal, just as is our intelligence. Don't label my claims meaningless just because you don't understand them. As a follower of science-- at least I assume-- you must recognize them as being logically sound.

[BobbyClock]

Move over Roman

[GingerbreadClockkkkkkkkkkkkkk]

Move over Roman

lmao

[AlbinoClock]

I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand. Your using a rather lame argument of semantics-- which I have chosen to stray away from for obvious reasons-- to refute my argument. It's pretty fucking obvious that when I said that science preaches I did not mean the abstraction of science itself; it was clearly in reference to the majority of society and academia who follows its principles. Can I make that anymore clear? And for the record I don't intend to say that scientific data can be incorrect-- which is again extremely obvious-- but I mean, and said, that the scientific method lacks validity. CAN YOU GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD? THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD IN ITSELF MAY BE INCORRECT DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT BASED ON THE PREMISE THAT HUMAN LOGIC AND RATIONALITY ARE CORRECT IN THEMSELVES.

Try reading my fucking posts instead of just looking over them briefly and then mashing at your keyboard.

Your assumption that our interpretation of reality is the only interpretation or the correct one is a HUGE assumption. The way that we perceive objects is probably drastically different than how they exist in reality, and they could possibly be perceived in an infinite number of ways.

I never said I actually make the assumption that we're interpreting things correctly, I said that we have to assume that our sensory tools are sufficient because otherwise we can't say anything at all.

Your example of using the internet isn't that great. It proves that we are clever enough to utilize our natural environment. A beaver can build a dam; we can build a computer. What's your point?

Comparing the internet to a beaver dam is fucking insane. If you want to compare a mud hut, or even a house to a beaver damn, I'll give you that, but the internet's rather different. I can talk to someone on the other side of the globe with almost no lag over skype. That's no fucking beaver dam. That's the fruit of the scientific method.

We all die after a very short amount of time, and any technological advancement made by science has been utterly useless on us.

Oh fuck you. People are living into their 100s now, whereas a couple centuries ago you were lucky if you lived to 30. We're not immortal yet but every time life expectancy increases, researchers get more time to make advances in life extension. Stopping aging entirely some day is not out of the question.

Our time in universal time is infinitesimal, just as is our intelligence.

The lifespan of human beings is much shorter than the life span of the universe, yes, good job. I contest the second point, mainly because I think all consciousness shares a single non-local root but I won't attempt to defend that bit of speculation.

Don't label my claims meaningless just because you don't understand them. As a follower of science-- at least I assume-- you must recognize them as being logically sound.

I understand them just fine, it's just that what you're saying has no relevance to what we're talking about.

[DoxosopherClock]

"otherwise we can't say anything at all. "


Thank you.

[AlbinoClock]

"otherwise we can't say anything at all. "


Thank you.

Yeah, so if you actually want to get anything done, you have to make that assumption. I said that like four fucking posts ago, what thread have you been reading? That doesn't make science trash.

[DoxosopherClock]

What is the purpose of getting anything done? Life is but a blink.

[AlbinoClock]

What is the purpose of getting anything done? Life is but a blink.

Why do you eat and breathe?

For that matter, please stop.

[DoxosopherClock]

I eat and breathe because of the will to preserve myself; it seems to be embedded in all life.  I never consented to being born.

[AlbinoClock]

I eat and breathe because of the will to preserve myself; it seems to be embedded in all life.  I never consented to being born.

Well there ya go.

[DoxosopherClock]

WHY TEH NAME CHANGES??!


I didn't even notice that you were a mod'.


I will commend you on your ability to spare me from being banned. I usually get banned from forums within 24 hours.

[Slurpee]

I usually get banned from forums within 24 hours.

what does that say about you

[CaramelAppleClock]

what the fuck is happening to this thread?

[DoxosopherClock]

It's getting bigger.