So I'm quitting cigarettes

[Randy Pearson]

I wish people would just realize the inevitable conclusion that kids are stupid, and that the majority of them are going to do stupid things because they rationalize it in their own minds that they are the one exception. We have to face the facts that this isn't an issue of whether it's the parents fault or the fault  of peer pressure. We need to start leveling responsibility squarely where it belongs, with the kids.

Also, Heineken, smoking has not made you smarter. It has, however, made you a self-entitled, self-righteous jerk. You are not being edgy, as you are not the first person to come on the internet with a 'i'll-smoke-and-fuck-all-ya'll" attitude, and you are not being smart by insulting people (however ill-informed they may be). You are just demonstrating how you are incapable of leveling an intelligent rebuttal on the subject at hand.

[Insomnia]

Keep smoking. You really don't have anything else to live for.

[Spanish]

Keep smoking. You really don't have anything else to live for.

Have you forgotton the fap?

I wish people would just realize the inevitable conclusion that kids are stupid, and that the majority of them are going to do stupid things because they rationalize it in their own minds that they are the one exception. We have to face the facts that this isn't an issue of whether it's the parents fault or the fault  of peer pressure. We need to start leveling responsibility squarely where it belongs, with the kids.

[RomanClock]

I wish people would just realize the inevitable conclusion that kids are stupid, and that the majority of them are going to do stupid things because they rationalize it in their own minds that they are the one exception. We have to face the facts that this isn't an issue of whether it's the parents fault or the fault  of peer pressure. We need to start leveling responsibility squarely where it belongs, with the kids.

Also, Heineken, smoking has not made you smarter. It has, however, made you a self-entitled, self-righteous jerk. You are not being edgy, as you are not the first person to come on the internet with a 'i'll-smoke-and-fuck-all-ya'll" attitude, and you are not being smart by insulting people (however ill-informed they may be). You are just demonstrating how you are incapable of leveling an intelligent rebuttal on the subject at hand.

I agree with Predator on this.

[HeinekenClock]

Also, Heineken, smoking has not made you smarter. It has, however, made you a self-entitled, self-righteous jerk. You are not being edgy, as you are not the first person to come on the internet with a 'i'll-smoke-and-fuck-all-ya'll" attitude, and you are not being smart by insulting people (however ill-informed they may be). You are just demonstrating how you are incapable of leveling an intelligent rebuttal on the subject at hand.

Oh.

I thought I was just calling SpanishClock stupid in a very elaborate way.

[HeinekenClock]

Also defending not-smoking on the internet is even stupider than acting all cool because you smoke. There's no self-righteous jerks here, just morons that think they can change the opinion of the other (equally stubborn) side.

It's like Mac vs. PC, Jesus vs. Buddha, Pirates vs. Ninjas.

How's the quitting going, nokia?

[Spanish]

Oh.

I thought I was just calling SpanishClock stupid in a very elaborate way.

Thanks. Anyone disagreeing with you makes them inferior, then? JK yeah I realize that is kinda stupid now.

EDIT:
Although I do agree with you on changing somebody elses mind. Check this out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=C-2w9b8i7GU

Don't watch the video, just look at the comments. Watch those retards go at it, not making any progress in their arguement.

[Randy Pearson]

No, Heineken. Argument and debate are intellectual processes through which people exchange contradictory ideas. Nobody is trying to change anyone's minds about something. We are trying to expand our minds by purposely putting ourselves in contact with people with conflicting beliefs. But this requires that you listen to what someone has to say and offer an intelligent and thought out rebuttal. What you are doing is not argument. You are just automatically gainsaying anything someone with a conflicting opinion says and insulting them.

Who knows? After I wake up tomorrow and I've had time to think about it, I may come to the conclusion that everything I believed before was batshit insane. At the same time, maybe tomorrow you'll realize how stubborn and inconsiderate you were with Spanish. But whether that occurs or not, at least we have had the benefit of being exposed to contradictory opinions, making us a little more tolerant and a little less ignorant of other's views.

There seems to be an awful, nihilistic trend on the internet for people to make fun of anyone who has any feelings one way or the other. I understand that you find arguments such as these trivial, but you could have said that the first time instead of pouncing on people like a jerk. What, are we less smart than you just because we care? We may very well be stroking our self-righteousness, but what makes you any less self-righteous for assuming that you are cooler because you just don't give a shit (or pretend to not give a shit, because if you didn't give a shit, you wouldn't have attacked Spanish like that).

You're right, Spanish isn't very articulate, and I find his posts somewhat infantile and contradictory, but at least he is trying to listen to others and expose himself to the opinions of others. He was a receptive, courteous debater. You were an asshole. Not giving a shit doesn't make you smarter or cooler than anyone else, and does not give you license to think and act like you're on to something everyone else hasn't seen a million times before on the internet. If you think our arguing and conversing about anything, whether it be smoking or religion or gay rights, is so beneath you as an enlightened individual, then you have the freedom to simply not participate.

EDIT: Alright, Heineken, you're still an asshole. Spanish, you are an equally vacuous asshole. I can't believe I just spent that whole post defending you. I hadn't realized how infantile you actually were until reading that YouTube post. Wow, you sure showed them, didn't you. You sure are cool. Newsflash, bucko: calling someone out on their bullshit is not the same as being a complete and total dipshit yourself. You know that saying that you can't fight violence with violence. Well you can't fight idiocy with being a potentially greater idiot.

In addition, apologies to beebles for all of us reducing this thread to utter shit.

[Spanish]

No, Heineken. Argument and debate are intellectual processes through which people exchange contradictory ideas. Nobody is trying to change anyone's minds about something. We are trying to expand our minds by purposely putting ourselves in contact with people with conflicting beliefs. But this requires that you listen to what someone has to say and offer an intelligent and thought out rebuttal. What you are doing is not argument. You are just automatically gainsaying anything someone with a conflicting opinion says and insulting them.

Who knows? After I wake up tomorrow and I've had time to think about it, I may come to the conclusion that everything I believed before was batshit insane. At the same time, maybe tomorrow you'll realize how stubborn and inconsiderate you were with Spanish. But whether that occurs or not, at least we have had the benefit of being exposed to contradictory opinions, making us a little more tolerant and a little less ignorant of other's views.

There seems to be an awful, nihilistic trend on the internet for people to make fun of anyone who has any feelings one way or the other. I understand that you find arguments such as these trivial, but you could have said that the first time instead of pouncing on people like a jerk. What, are we less smart than you just because we care? We may very well be stroking our self-righteousness, but what makes you any less self-righteous for assuming that you are cooler because you just don't give a shit (or pretend to not give a shit, because if you didn't give a shit, you wouldn't have attacked Spanish like that).

You're right, Spanish isn't very articulate, and I find his posts somewhat infantile and contradictory, but at least he is trying to listen to others and expose himself to the opinions of others. He was a receptive, courteous debater. You were an asshole. Not giving a shit doesn't make you smarter or cooler than anyone else, and does not give you license to think and act like you're on to something everyone else hasn't seen a million times before on the internet. If you think our arguing and conversing about anything, whether it be smoking or religion or gay rights, is so beneath you as an enlightened individual, then you have the freedom to simply not participate.

My GOD I wish you went to my school. Everybody there is full of shit and they really need somebody to just make them shut up. And I know I can be immature, but I'm just trying to get used to things here. Thank you for seeing things the way they are and not the way you want them to be. The world needs more people like you.

[Randy Pearson]

My GOD I wish you went to my school. Everybody there is full of shit and they really need somebody to just make them shut up. And I know I can be immature, but I'm just trying to get used to things here. Thank you for seeing things the way they are and not the way you want them to be. The world needs more people like you.

For the love of God, please see my sorry thread before you catch my edit of my post.

[beebles]

I dunno. Every adult has the right to choose wether they smoke or not - this adult has decided he wants some of his former aerobic fitness back. More than anything else its the lung capacity issues that have gotten to me - I still enjoy smoking and I dont feel the need to stop others from smoking. This is a personal choice.

Three days btw and I'm still craving them pretty bad. Earlier today a few of my friends lit up around me and I pretty much had to dive out of the room to stop myself from smoking with them.

[HeinekenClock]

Congrats on killing the tread after I attempted to re-rail it again.

[Bigglesnoots]

Well I suggest you stay away from cigarettes then.

it couldn't get any worse, could it?

[INoodleClock]

Ouch, I just watched some of those YT videos.. nasty.

[Loki Clock]

I failed at not smoking. :'(

[Kodiakclock]

Except for Sweden, apparently!
Steps are being taken to legalize it again, though.

actually snus is legal in sweden not the american type snus is in a pouch and doesnt require spitting, ive used it before its helpful to use in school because its discrete and you dont have to spit.

[TequilaClock]

No, Heineken. Argument and debate are intellectual processes through which people exchange contradictory ideas. Nobody is trying to change anyone's minds about something. We are trying to expand our minds by purposely putting ourselves in contact with people with conflicting beliefs. But this requires that you listen to what someone has to say and offer an intelligent and thought out rebuttal. What you are doing is not argument. You are just automatically gainsaying anything someone with a conflicting opinion says and insulting them.

Who knows? After I wake up tomorrow and I've had time to think about it, I may come to the conclusion that everything I believed before was batshit insane. At the same time, maybe tomorrow you'll realize how stubborn and inconsiderate you were with Spanish. But whether that occurs or not, at least we have had the benefit of being exposed to contradictory opinions, making us a little more tolerant and a little less ignorant of other's views.

There seems to be an awful, nihilistic trend on the internet for people to make fun of anyone who has any feelings one way or the other. I understand that you find arguments such as these trivial, but you could have said that the first time instead of pouncing on people like a jerk. What, are we less smart than you just because we care? We may very well be stroking our self-righteousness, but what makes you any less self-righteous for assuming that you are cooler because you just don't give a shit (or pretend to not give a shit, because if you didn't give a shit, you wouldn't have attacked Spanish like that).

You're right, Spanish isn't very articulate, and I find his posts somewhat infantile and contradictory, but at least he is trying to listen to others and expose himself to the opinions of others. He was a receptive, courteous debater. You were an asshole. Not giving a shit doesn't make you smarter or cooler than anyone else, and does not give you license to think and act like you're on to something everyone else hasn't seen a million times before on the internet. If you think our arguing and conversing about anything, whether it be smoking or religion or gay rights, is so beneath you as an enlightened individual, then you have the freedom to simply not participate.

EDIT: Alright, Heineken, you're still an asshole. Spanish, you are an equally vacuous asshole. I can't believe I just spent that whole post defending you. I hadn't realized how infantile you actually were until reading that YouTube post. Wow, you sure showed them, didn't you. You sure are cool. Newsflash, bucko: calling someone out on their bullshit is not the same as being a complete and total dipshit yourself. You know that saying that you can't fight violence with violence. Well you can't fight idiocy with being a potentially greater idiot.

In addition, apologies to beebles for all of us reducing this thread to utter shit.

Sorry but we don't give a fuck

[Kodiakclock]

TOO LONG

didn't read

[Bigglesnoots]

actually snus is legal in sweden

that's what I said.

illegal except sweden means legal in sweden.

[Kodiakclock]

that's what I said.

illegal except sweden means legal in sweden.

the smokeless tobacco i use is not snus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dipping_tobacco

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus

the basic difference is you gotta spit with dip and not with snus and snus only comes in pouches.