Which Presidential Candidate do you Support?

[Topcatyo]

One reason I don't like McCain is that, even while what he said when he was ejected was completely insane, he only kicked out Hagee as his spiritual adviser after he said Hitler did God's work, not when he called the Catholic Church the whore of Babylon.

The Hitler comment is a lot worse.
But what the fuck is it with presidential candidates and crazy pastors?

[Roman Collar Clock]

Sorry, but we're not being "displaced". Other people are moving in. They're not evicting white people so mexicans can steal their houses, and there are always houses on the market. It's not like we have a waiting list to move in to the cities. It's the same as it always is, except it's poor mexicans moving into the low-income housing instead of poor white people. And it's not like that's a new thing, either. This has been happening for decades, even centuries. Your quality of life is not being threatened and your life is not being threatened, so shut the fuck up promptly.

If blacks or Mexicans move into a white neighborhood and make up the majority of its population, than that's displacement.  It's increasing our population to the breaking point, and it's creating areas that white people won't live in.  It's a well known FACT that white people prefer to live in white neighborhoods.

I also have to say that I do feel threatened.  When blacks and Mexicans make up the majority of all violent crimes in America, it makes me nervous when more of them try to live around us.  I'm basing what I'm saying off of facts and crime stats, so you can keep living in your fantasy world for all I care.

[Loki Clock]

If blacks or Mexicans move into a white neighborhood and make up the majority of its population, than that's displacement.

No it isn't. Percentages do not equate to hard numbers. For example, say you have 10 apples in your bag. The bag is 100% apples. Then you add 10 oranges. Now you only have 50% apples, with 50% oranges. The apples have not been displaced, they just make up a lower percentage of the population in the bag.

It's increasing our population to the breaking point

Oh dear, breeding! What is our "population breaking point", by the way?

and it's creating areas that white people won't live in.

Oh boo hoo.

It's a well known FACT that white people prefer to live in white neighborhoods.

I'm quite happy where I am, so those mysterious people who cling to homogeneity for dear life don't really concern me, and you're not convincing me there's any reason to act in their best interests.

I also have to say that I do feel threatened.

You feel threatened, but you aren't, really. The crime statistics don't prove shit when it comes to violent tendencies per race. Motives are infinitely diverse, and you can't assume that you will meet any of the criteria that would cause you to be the victim of such a crime. For all you know, it's a complete coincidence that they have the highest rates, since there's going to be an arbitrary level of imbalance either way.

it makes me nervous when more of them try to live around us.

They're not trying to live around you, they're just trying to find a place to live. They're not trying to invade anything.

[FluxCapacitorClock]

Why do people think it's necessarily that race's fault that their crime rate is high. It's not like they walk into a store and say "Well, I'm black, I better rob the place."

[Marlin Clock]

The Hitler comment is a lot worse.
But what the fuck is it with presidential candidates and crazy pastors?

I don't care, comparing my faith to one of the evil omens of the Apocalypse is very offensive.

[BlackberryClock]

RomanCollar, watch what you say. I know you're a bigoted xenophobe, but you better back non-opinion things with facts.

This country does not have an over-population problem.

On the other hand, blacks commit something like 50% of the murders when they make up around 13% of the population. Homicide is the number one cause of death for young adult black males. Stating facts like this might help your argument, but you need to address reality, not your warped sense of it. At least try to hide your racism when you post here.

Comments like the "i wonder why all these countries kicked out the Jews" one will get you kicked from this forum if they keep going on.

[Roman Collar Clock]

RomanCollar, watch what you say. I know you're a bigoted xenophobe, but you better back non-opinion things with facts.

This country does not have an over-population problem.

On the other hand, blacks commit something like 50% of the murders when they make up around 13% of the population. Homicide is the number one cause of death for young adult black males. Stating facts like this might help your argument, but you need to address reality, not your warped sense of it. At least try to hide your racism when you post here.

Comments like the "i wonder why all these countries kicked out the Jews" one will get you kicked from this forum if they keep going on.

I have stated these facts before, but people here choose to completely ignore them.

Whatever the case, my beliefs are founded on history.  No society has ever stood long without a dominant, homogenous race/culture in place.  When the racial question is introduced, it either ends in deportation, ethnic cleansing, or loss of territory.  If Americans were capable of taking Texas as farmers, then Mexicans are capable of taking the southwest US as cheap labor.  Take your pick.

[AbsintheClock]

I'm going to have to ask for statistics as well. Otherwise this is just a bunch of angry hate speech. On another note black people who grow up in white neighborhoods usually end up turning out pretty fucking "white." What does this prove? On another note on the days before the civil war there were very few instances of slaves fighting each other and I'd say that was a very large black community. The only reasons these minorities go at each other's throats is because they are in an environment where it is much more difficult to make a rational decision. This however does not mean we should go sticking our noses in the air saying "Keep the negros and the mexicans away they might taint our white women." This is just pure ignorance, and I highly doubt that any statistic could defend your argument rationally. Although I welcome it wholeheartedly.

On another note my mother works at a group home and most of the employees there are not only black but they've come straight from the motherland. They're all african-african not "african american." They're all pretty civilized people who don't resort to gang violence to make a living, they don't bust caps, rape white women, drink 40's, or smoke endo while sipping gin and juice laid back. They do however have their mind on their money and their money on their minds. That's why they make what you might call "white people" moves. They set up college funds for their kids, they set up retirement funds, 401ks, they buy white people homes, and all the other shit that may scare the hell out of you. Then again it's pretty easy for you to ignore that as well isn't it? Last I checked the majority of black people and mexicans in the US were believe it or not born in the US of A. So what do these statistics prove? Absolutely nothing.

[SilverCherryClock]

Whatever the case, my beliefs are founded on history.  No society has ever stood long without a dominant, homogenous race/culture in place.  When the racial question is introduced, it either ends in deportation, ethnic cleansing, or loss of territory.  If Americans were capable of taking Texas as farmers, then Mexicans are capable of taking the southwest US as cheap labor.  Take your pick.

Are you suggesting that if/when we have a Mexican majority that white people are going to be forcefully deported or 'ethnically cleansed'? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If there's any displacement going on it's because white people are being bigoted fucks who are too afraid to live in a neighborhood with a few Mexicans just as well off as they are. You seem to be of the opinion that if there's a racial majority of Mexicans in the southwest, there will be a white person exodus and it'll become a violent slum of a region, which is ignorant and xenophobic.

[Roman Collar Clock]

Are you suggesting that if/when we have a Mexican majority that white people are going to be forcefully deported or 'ethnically cleansed'?

Uh, yeah.



As I said before, it's already happened against the Mexicans in the Mexican American War, and there's no reason it can't happen to us.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. If there's any displacement going on it's because white people are being bigoted fucks who are too afraid to live in a neighborhood with a few Mexicans just as well off as they are.

All races prefer the company of their own race, even non racists such as yourself.  Some people (mostly whites) can get along with one or two of a different race, but when that other race gets too large, everybody splits apart into their own racial groups.  

What I've been saying is there's absolutely nothing wrong with that!

It's already been proven that Mexicans are more prone to crime than white Americans are; thus, an increase in their numbers in any area will most likely bring about an increase in crime.  I know I've already said this, and people have responded with reasons to those crimes; however, you have to understand there is nothing we can do to change this.  That's the way it is, and we haven't succeeded in lowering it.

"• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate..."

http://www.amren.com/store/color_of_crime.html

You seem to be of the opinion that if there's a racial majority of Mexicans in the southwest, there will be a white person exodus and it'll become a violent slum of a region, which is ignorant and xenophobic.

You haven't given me a reason why "xenophobia" is wrong.

[Roman Collar Clock]

ps. i would rather live in an entirely non-white neighbourhood than one full of people like you.

I would love to see you try that (seriously), but you'll probably just continue to fantasize within the safety of your non-black/mestizo neighborhood.

I'm going to have to ask for statistics as well.

You can check out "The Color of Crime" by Jared Taylor.  I have a link to it in the post above.  It includes a number of racial stats.

On another note on the days before the civil war there were very few instances of slaves fighting each other and I'd say that was a very large black community.  The only reasons these minorities go at each other's throats is because they are in an environment where it is much more difficult to make a rational decision.

The only historical scenarios that don't include blacks murdering each other at such high amounts (at least not as high as right now) are when they were enslaved and when they lived in pre-industrial sub-saharan Africa.  That should send a few signals somewhere.  

This however does not mean we should go sticking our noses in the air saying "Keep the negros and the mexicans away they might taint our white women." This is just pure ignorance, and I highly doubt that any statistic could defend your argument rationally. Although I welcome it wholeheartedly.

It's not wrong for races to be kept intact by discouraging miscegenation.  If you'd like an example of a society that is mostly biracial, you can check out Brazil.  It's not a pretty place (socially), at least not in the non white areas.  

Personally I like having blonde and redhead women around, and you can't have a blonde or redhead child if you copulate with a non white, but that's just a personal preference.

On another note my mother works at a group home and most of the employees there are not only black but they've come straight from the motherland. They're all african-african not "african american." They're all pretty civilized people who don't resort to gang violence to make a living, they don't bust caps, rape white women, drink 40's, or smoke endo while sipping gin and juice laid back. They do however have their mind on their money and their money on their minds. That's why they make what you might call "white people" moves. They set up college funds for their kids, they set up retirement funds, 401ks, they buy white people homes, and all the other shit that may scare the hell out of you. Then again it's pretty easy for you to ignore that as well isn't it? Last I checked the majority of black people and mexicans in the US were believe it or not born in the US of A. So what do these statistics prove? Absolutely nothing.

You're using Africans who fled their homeland, which was controlled by their own kind, and settled in a country that is controlled (not entirely) by whites to prove your point?  Blacks who seek out the company and employment of whites aren't good examples for your beliefs.  It actually gives me the impression that these blacks are trying real hard to get away from their own kind.

But if most Africans are civilized people, than that's great!  It's another reason that blacks should return to their motherland.

Just between you and me, blacks could be superior to us, and I would still want us all, blacks and whites, to have our own separate living space.

[RomanClock]

This seems like a touchy subject, but I would agree that people of similar race tend to float towards each other. Thats one reason why there are all-white/black/Hispanic neighborhoods, certainly not the only one though, other factors would be income (poor/rich neighborhoods) and similar ideologies (Dem/Rep areas)

[SilverCherryClock]

You haven't given me a reason why "xenophobia" is wrong.

There's not much I can say beyond this point to be honest

[Roman Collar Clock]

There's not much I can say beyond this point to be honest

Refusing to defend your position sends the message you don't have a very convincing argument.  It's not like I'm arguing we should stop breathing air or eating food.

directly on the other side of my backyard is low income housing. there are plenty of black people, mexican people and guess what white people too that live there. my neighbours are white supremicists and there is a middle eastern family like 3 doors down. welcome to multiculturalism bitch

Well that's just peachy.  Down at the campus I live at we're about 30% black (with a lot of black neighborhoods outside campus) and I've had black suite mates the past three semesters.  At first I thought I was some kind of super white crusading against racism, but then I realized I was avoiding all the blacks and just hanging out with whites, and sometimes blacks who sought out the company of whites away from other blacks.  Fuck multiculturalism!

[Slurpee]

Refusing to defend your position sends the message you don't have a very convincing argument.

"Phobia" means "irrational fear" and it's a psychological disorder (part of a small sub-group of anxiety disorder) characterized by excessive, unreasonable desire to avoid a particular subject.

You are now chiding SilvercherryClock for not defending his dismissal of an irrational, excessive, unreasonable psychological disorder.
Is this correct?

I wouldn't be interrupting your argument for this, only, you see, there's this button I've been aching to press.



Do let me know.

[Roman Collar Clock]

Typically when people put a single word in quotation marks they are being sarcastic.  I simply asked Silvercherry to actually state a reason why it's wrong to be concerned about a large presence of foreigners in your country, that's all.  There's been an awful lot of begging the question responses, i.e. stating my opinion is wrong because "that's racist, and I'm not required to actually prove why racism is wrong because EVERYBODY knows it's wrong."

You won't read this, but that's OK.  Your arguments are too frail to withstand any criticism, so shutting out all dissent is a rational response.

[ORLY]

[Slurpee]

You won't read this, but that's OK.  Your arguments are too frail to withstand any criticism, so shutting out all dissent is a rational response.

What arguments have I made that are "too frail," you crazy idiot?

Did you shut me down on the notion that "oabma probably listens to Jay-Z", and, without noticing, I crumbled under your iron fist of reasoning, only to slink out the back door refusing defeat?
Or are you talking about when I asked a sincere question regarding health care dynamics, resolutely refusing to use the shift key?



I'm going to be forthright. This is big. Are you ready for this?

Next time I'm trolling you like a champ (as is my charming puckish nature) and you want to cajole me into responding by attacking my rationale, you should probably know I'm, like, at least 60% sure you're just completely crazy, and, as such, you're not going to get much in response.

I'm sure you think you're quite reasonable, as is the case with most crazy people, but the last time I tried anything resembling a structured argument with you this happened and then you made fun of me for being gay. (And the Clock Crew gave you a medal.)

You don't know me. I am an open-minded person, and I change my opinions all the time, to the point where I often fear even my most deeply held personal beliefs will forever drown in a sea of uncertainty. If I'm not entertaining your arguments, I have good reason, and my reason here is that I don't consider anything you, personally, post, to be valid input. Our understanding of each other is so vastly separated by lifetimes of experience, and you are so fucking wacky, that neither of us is ever going to convince the other of anything so much as a recommendation regarding a good chain of hamburger joints.

I've never nor do I ever intend to do anything about any of this, and I consider our multi-faceted internet relationship a rewardingly stimulating one.
Peace.

[FluxCapacitorClock]

Slurpee when I was reading that post I couldn't help but envision the scene from The Dark Knight where Joker says "This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object."

And when I think about it, it's true. You guys are the unstoppable force and RomanCollar is the immovable object, in every single race debate on this entire forum.

[RomanClock]

What we have here is a failure to communicate.