Debate Forum

[AlbinoClock]

The debate forum was always fun, if a bit shouty at times, and I think it would be fun to have a new one. A post about a topic in general isn't nearly as likely to generate a lengthy, nuanced discussion as one in a debate forum is. Anyway, I'm just throwing it out there.

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

Well if it was very well moderated I'd support it. You might make a good mod. Absinthe could help out too. But it'd have to be impartial moderation. Not dictated by personal opinons and beliefs.

[AlbinoClock]

Well, if I were to moderate it I certainly wouldn't police anyone's opinions, I'd just try to keep things civil and vaguely logical without the sort of thing Corpse mentioned happening. Either way it would be a cool thing to see happen.

[VuBawlsClock]

No typing in caps?

[Thor]

I really want the debate forum back. There will always be the risk of trolling, but that's part of the fun.

Ad hominem and name calling should obviously be against the rules, but I think telling people to "calm down" or "stop fighting" should be against the rules too.

Oh, and there should be a rule that you can't make a thread unless you can take it when somebody shits all over everything you say.

[AlbinoClock]

I'd focus mostly on civility and disruptiveness, though that does include blatantly illogical arguments that derail the thread, like 4 pages of strawmen and cherry picking. I think we might have been a bit heavy-handed with the debate forum in the past when it was actually moderated and don't quite want a repeat of that, but some small degree of pruning is probably necessary.

People can get passionate if they want, there's nothing wrong with that as long as it contributes to the discussion and doesn't force it off into pointless directions that just frustrate everyone.

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

I'll ad hominem YOUR strawman.

[AlbinoClock]

I'll ad hominem YOUR strawman.

I'm sorry sir but I'm going to have to insist that you take your logical fallacies to Fester's Quest.

[AlbinoClock]

Also are you from Tol'Vir or some other lost city?

[AlbinoClock]

The argument that the conclusion of a fallacious argument is incorrect because of the fallacious reasoning used to arrive at that conclusion is, in itself, a logical fallacy.

LET THAT CREEP INTO YOUR MIND AND MAKE SWEET SWEET LOVE TO IT

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I have no trouble with that at all. A logically justifiable argument may still be false as well. However, without using logic to arrive at a conclusion, you're essentially guessing. If you happen to guess right, that's great, but it's not consistent.

[miracle fruit]

i should be mod of the debate forum

[AbsintheClock]

YOU IDIOTS, JESUS WAS BLACK!

[pop-tart]

I'll ask his mom. She chills down the street from my work under the Kennedy Expressway on Fullerton.

[AbsintheClock]

Looks like a hobo piss stain to me.

[FLOUNDERMAN_CLOCK]

Looks like a hobo piss stain to me.

Wasn't all Jesus was really?

[AbsintheClock]

WHITE DEVIL! You the work of Yacub.

[Biggskoo]

if you want truly impartial moderation, then you need to find somebody to moderate it that would almost never post there

basically what i'm getting at is that if one is inclined to believe himself a giant debate nerdo and even knows what ad hominem strawman red herring 1) mean 2) wouldn't bat an eye in using the terms completely unironically, they probably shouldn't be let near the mod cp because it's nearly impossible for them to be truly impartial

use self policing (debate forum posters reporting posts and sending PMs behind the scenes), and the moderator acts more in the capacity of an arbitrator (since we'll never really have a third party involved in this sort of thing)

[AlbinoClock]

I would hope that whoever is chosen to mod the debate forum can identify logical fallacies (unironically).

[Biggskoo]

i'm sayin there's a difference between one who can identify those fallacies and one who can identify those fallacies without drawing attention to the fact they can identify those fallacies

and that's not ad hominem on you lil buddy

see what i did there

[AlbinoClock]

Ok, I understand what you mean, but why wouldn't you want to point out a fallacious argument? How would you go about it instead?