Confusing topic title, right?

However, I want to do research on Fox News, on their pros and cons. Just to figure them out, and see if they're as unreliable as I've heard, or if there are positive aspects. Mind you, other news stations do a lot of the same things, like CNN or BBC. But because of Fox News' controversiality, and because I've heard so many bad things on it, I want to see if there is a good side. In other words, playing devil's advocate so I can find out the truth: are they really as bad as people say?

Now, if that seems inconclusive, my problem is using Google to find a pros and cons list, perhaps, or to find a list of their achievements (wait for some witty guy to say "none"). Because if some people actually take them seriously, there must be a good side, even if some facts are fudged. But all news channels do that, anyways. My main question is, where can I find information supporting the Fox News channel?

Fox News watchers = "Kill tho'gh 'errosits' Bush yeehaw!"

What does a news organization "achieve" other than presenting the news in either a way that you like or don't like? The only reason I see people hating it for is because they have conservative political commentators, who they ironically demonize because another news source tells them to.

Quote from: RomanClock;1349689What does a news organization "achieve" other than presenting the news in either a way that you like or don't like? The only reason I see people hating it for is because they have conservative political commentators, who they ironically demonize because another news source tells them to.

Good point, Roman.

My parents love O'Reilly's show, and I have to admit, I kinda enjoy it myself. While the truth gets distorted here and there, doesn't every news channel do that? Sadly, some of us are too stupid to look at other sources and not just blindly follow one, myself included on both the points and counterpoints. Nothing's just black or white.

And on the O'Reilly note, he does have a great level of self-confidence, I'll admit that. He comes across as very intimidating, which, quite frankly, is a great way to win arguments. He doesn't completely argue based on his voice and stature, however, he is a very practical man, even if on some occasions he can come across as a raging lunatic. And that's only because he gets angry pretty easily. He's actually not that bad, unlike what I said before. It was about midnight when I was watching anti-O'Reilly clips, so I was probably out of it and letting my emotions get to me. Mind you, he's not always in his right, but perhaps he's not as bad as liberals (like myself at times) make him out to be.

And if push comes to shove, it's most important to remember that The O'Reilly Factor is just an opinion show, not a news show in the strictest sense.

Quote from: TequilaClock;1349688Fox News watchers = "Kill tho'gh 'errosits' Bush yeehaw!"

Considering I was born and raised in South Carolina for a good portion of my life, and that you would use the Stars and Bars flag in such a stereotypical manner, I find that somewhat offensive. I'm disappointed in you Tequila.


Either way I can't find any legitimate pros for Fox News other than the fact they do just about the same thing as any other news network. They lie, they stretch the truth, and they misinform people for the ratings. CNN does this, the BBC does this, it's just that Fox News seems to tackle more of the modern media outlets (gaming devices, internet). I've just learned not to take what news channels say seriously unless i have footage to back it up and multiple sources to back that footage up with.

Quote from: Professor Oak;1349699Considering I was born and raised in South Carolina for a good portion of my life, and that you would use the Stars and Bars flag in such a stereotypical manner, I find that somewhat offensive. I'm disappointed in you Tequila.

Sorry.

Quote from: Professor Oak;1349699Either way I can't find any legitimate pros for Fox News other than the fact they do just about the same thing as any other news network. They lie, they stretch the truth, and they misinform people for the ratings. CNN does this, the BBC does this, it's just that Fox News seems to tackle more of the modern media outlets (gaming devices, internet). I've just learned not to take what news channels say seriously unless i have footage to back it up and multiple sources to back that footage up with.

Well, I can think of at least one pro. They're interesting to watch.

Still, I guess this means I should look at multiple sources before I judge anything and not just agree with Fox or CNN or NY Times or Clock Crew or Outfoxed or whatever. Ignorance is the bane of the world and the bane of my brain.

Quote from: TequilaClock;1349688Fox News watchers = "Kill tho'gh 'errosits' Bush yeehaw!"

We're not British, what the fuck

Quote from: RomanClock;1349689What does a news organization "achieve" other than presenting the news in either a way that you like or don't like? The only reason I see people hating it for is because they have conservative political commentators, who they ironically demonize because another news source tells them to.

a news organization should present fair and balanced news, unbiased, no spin just the facts. foxnews is full of pundits who put a heavy spin on everything, for example barack obama is a radical muslim elitist who hezbollah fist jabs his wife.

they constantly stomp all over any guest with an opposing view, prime example, bill o'reilly shouting over everyone and telling them to shutup. hell bill o'reilly even makes up facts when it so suits him.

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anything to defend the party they're lapdogs for.

I'd say the pro to Fox News is that they put more spin on things than any other network. So if you like news that isn't really news, Fox is the place. As far as merits supporting a news organization, Fox has nothing.

Bill O Reilly is a POLITICAL COMMENTATOR, hes paid to have an opinion.

Also, that video proves that your an idiot on the subject. I mean, that is totally unbiased "news" from a competitor.

At least Fox News consistently spins things so you don't need to worry about wondering which report is true and which one is not.

Quote from: Professor Oak;1349699Considering I was born and raised in South Carolina for a good portion of my life, and that you would use the Stars and Bars flag in such a stereotypical manner, I find that somewhat offensive. I'm disappointed in you Tequila.

Don't tell me you're a ridiculous southern personality, because I won't believe it.

Quote from: RomanClock;1349801Peyote, please stop being ignorant. Bill O Reilly is a POLITICAL COMMENTATOR, hes paid to have an opinion. Not only that watching selected scenes for the purpose of slander doesn't make you an expert on anything, it just proves to me how obviously biased and hostile you are in the face of different opinions.

Bill O'Reilly claims to run a venue for political debate. Shouting over your opponent and making shit up is not debate, it's bullying for ratings and for the opinions of weak-minded people who can't see through the fog of loud words.

Hell, occasionally the guy says something that I agree with, but even then he says it in a stupid way that doesn't prove his point. The guy's pretty damn ignorant to the logical process.


Edit:I don't know why I bothered to make this post. Roman's the only one who disagrees, and that's because he's just as ignorant and hopeless as O'Reilly himself.

Quote from: YoteYote;1349794a news organization should present fair and balanced news, unbiased, no spin just the facts. foxnews is full of pundits who put a heavy spin on everything, for example barack obama is a radical muslim elitist who hezbollah fist jabs his wife.

they constantly stomp all over any guest with an opposing view, prime example, bill o'reilly shouting over everyone and telling them to shutup. hell bill o'reilly even makes up facts when it so suits him.

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anything to defend the party they're lapdogs for.

Eh, I pretty much have to like O'Reilly or my parents think I'm scary*. So I'll like him. Also, I wonder if the "scary things" my mom's been hearing about Obama are from Fox News.

On a serious note, I think I'll go with Roman on this one. He's the only one here not going all FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT NAZIS JAKFJLALDLFSKLDALDSKFSLKALSDFKLASDF COCKS.

*from an argument where I did a shit job trying to stay on one topic aksljdlaksfas, probably not literally true

watch "outfoxed" it's all you need to know.

Quote from: Charlie.;1349868watch "outfoxed" it's all you need to know.

Eh, it appeals to the emotion a lot though. Plus, I don't think my parents would let me get it.

the most you could say about any news network save c-span is it's somewhat informative in addition to being schlocky entertainment.

it's kind of ridiculous to ask for "pros" because all you're going to get about any of them is "well at least it doesn't ______"

BBC RULES ALL COS ITS NOT AMERICAN

Quote from: Zombie Lincoln Jr;1349886BBC RULES ALL COS ITS NOT AMERICAN

I tried watching BBC America News but I couldn't get to any news because it was what seemed like endless commercials with their faces popping in every so often to say "You're watching BBC America!"